Madeleine McCann Met police take on investigation
Re: Number 6
I never said they wasn't going through it,i said that they would have been treated differently by 90% of the press and media if they had come from different backgrounds. David,not often i disagree with you but on this i do.
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David Johnson
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Re: Number 6
Well, you seem to be convinced irrespective of the evidence.
Unless I am missing the point, your argument is the McCanns got off lightly in terms of leaving their children alone because they are middle class. This would not have happened if they had been working class living in a council house.
A milddle class couple, the McCanns got hammered by the tabloids for leaving their children unsupervised. They are vilified and lied about endlessly in the press. Not only in the Daily Express, the Sunday Express, Daily Star and other media outlets, but they also brought successful cases against the People/Mirror Group.
Coral Jones, a working class woman living on a council estate, leaves her child unsupervised for a lengthy time on an early October evening. She is not vilified and lied about endlessly in the press.
How does this support your argument?
If anything, it suggests the opposite of what you appear to be arguing.
Unless I am missing the point, your argument is the McCanns got off lightly in terms of leaving their children alone because they are middle class. This would not have happened if they had been working class living in a council house.
A milddle class couple, the McCanns got hammered by the tabloids for leaving their children unsupervised. They are vilified and lied about endlessly in the press. Not only in the Daily Express, the Sunday Express, Daily Star and other media outlets, but they also brought successful cases against the People/Mirror Group.
Coral Jones, a working class woman living on a council estate, leaves her child unsupervised for a lengthy time on an early October evening. She is not vilified and lied about endlessly in the press.
How does this support your argument?
If anything, it suggests the opposite of what you appear to be arguing.
Re: Number 6
\Ok ,lets put it differently,the establishment..i.e. the tory party,the right wing press,the bbc..think the sun shines out of the McCann's arseholes...would they feel the same if it was a junkie mum from Streatham?? NO . Like i said i don't know if the McCanns are nice people,they may well be lovely people,what i am talking about is class and how people are treated differently i guess.
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David Johnson
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Re: Number 6
Well how I think it works is as follows.
I believe that there are differences in terms of class in how certain crimes are dealt with in the press e.g. fraud. Joe Bloggs fiddles his disability benefit and gets filmed jogging. A bucket of shit is emptied on him by the press as he is convicted and forced to pay back, say, ?10,000. Crispin Jones, an investment banker, fiddles the Libor, gets a pat on the back from his colleagues and earns enough from the fiddle to buy a penthouse flat in Canary Wharf.
White collar fraud is reported and dealt with in a completely different way to benefit fraud in this country.
In the case of child abduction, I see no difference at all based on class in how the cases are dealt with. They tend to follow a similar pattern:
1. Child goes missing.
2. Police put understandably tearful mother and family in front of the cameras to ask for information and help.
3. Newspapers are supportive of families and start campaign and run stories emphasising the torment the family is going through.
4. Generally convictions are made and if the murderer is someone outside the family the relations are dealt with fairly in the media.
Where this seems to vary is when the case drags on and on and there is no conviction as in the case of the McCanns. In that situation, the tabloids desperate to find anything new to say about the story let their reporters' imaginations run riot and print stories which have completely baseless assertions in there. Anything to sell a few newspapers. This is what happened to the McCanns as the stories became more and more fanciful.
However again, that is nothing to do with class. I have no recall of the press treating Coral Jones badly or the mother of Jamie Bulger who let her kid out of her sight at a shopping centre and he was abducted or killed, or Sarah Payne's mother who was working class etc etc.
WIth regard to child abduction, I don't think your argument is supported by the facts and you do not provide anything to back your view up. Nor do you explain why a well-off middle class family like the McCanns were pilloried by so many tabloids and much of the media in general.
I believe that there are differences in terms of class in how certain crimes are dealt with in the press e.g. fraud. Joe Bloggs fiddles his disability benefit and gets filmed jogging. A bucket of shit is emptied on him by the press as he is convicted and forced to pay back, say, ?10,000. Crispin Jones, an investment banker, fiddles the Libor, gets a pat on the back from his colleagues and earns enough from the fiddle to buy a penthouse flat in Canary Wharf.
White collar fraud is reported and dealt with in a completely different way to benefit fraud in this country.
In the case of child abduction, I see no difference at all based on class in how the cases are dealt with. They tend to follow a similar pattern:
1. Child goes missing.
2. Police put understandably tearful mother and family in front of the cameras to ask for information and help.
3. Newspapers are supportive of families and start campaign and run stories emphasising the torment the family is going through.
4. Generally convictions are made and if the murderer is someone outside the family the relations are dealt with fairly in the media.
Where this seems to vary is when the case drags on and on and there is no conviction as in the case of the McCanns. In that situation, the tabloids desperate to find anything new to say about the story let their reporters' imaginations run riot and print stories which have completely baseless assertions in there. Anything to sell a few newspapers. This is what happened to the McCanns as the stories became more and more fanciful.
However again, that is nothing to do with class. I have no recall of the press treating Coral Jones badly or the mother of Jamie Bulger who let her kid out of her sight at a shopping centre and he was abducted or killed, or Sarah Payne's mother who was working class etc etc.
WIth regard to child abduction, I don't think your argument is supported by the facts and you do not provide anything to back your view up. Nor do you explain why a well-off middle class family like the McCanns were pilloried by so many tabloids and much of the media in general.
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Cuntybollocks
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Re: Madeleine McCann Met police take on investigation
I can't believe you would use this tragedy to highlight your hatred of the middle classes.
You sicken me.
You sicken me.
Re: Madeleine McCann Met police take on investigation
Do i?? well i doubt i will be able to sleep at night now you are so upset. Like your new id by the way,what was the other one you used to use...something ..boy??
Re: Madeleine McCann Met police take on investigation
Can I ask you how you trim your ears and between your toes ?
Ive allways wondered how Trolls maintain these areas, is it by shaving waxing or plucking ? please tell ?
do you use daddies computer or the one down the library ? must be daddies as most libraries are shut by now.... kinda amazed at your hatred for the middle classes - I guess there is some reason for that - do you feel hard done by or do they annoy you ? people that have gotten out there and actually done something with their life - nice detached property in suburbia holidays somewhere hot and a couple of nice cars in the drive ?
Jealous ?
Thought so.... didnt hide it well.
Ive allways wondered how Trolls maintain these areas, is it by shaving waxing or plucking ? please tell ?
do you use daddies computer or the one down the library ? must be daddies as most libraries are shut by now.... kinda amazed at your hatred for the middle classes - I guess there is some reason for that - do you feel hard done by or do they annoy you ? people that have gotten out there and actually done something with their life - nice detached property in suburbia holidays somewhere hot and a couple of nice cars in the drive ?
Jealous ?
Thought so.... didnt hide it well.
Re: Madeleine McCann Met police take on investigation
I don't hate the middle classes. I was trying to say the majority of the press would have treated a person differently if he/she had been unemployed/drug user/criminal record etc/..since when does that make me a troll or whatever else you were accusing me of....
Re: Madeleine McCann Met police take on investigation
But the replies here clearly tell it as it was - the Macanns got it rough - they were not treated any worse or better....
Re: Madeleine McCann Met police take on investigation
Depends what paper you read i guess..i wasn't trying to turn this into anything about hating the McCanns, like i said i don't know them they could be lovely people they could be arseholes,im just giving my opinion on how the media and the press works. I still think what they did that night was wrong though.