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Flat_Eric wrote:

> a m playlist wrote:
>
> > Do my eyes deceive me, or does the above not show that you
> > called the Society of Black Lawyers bastards? Or were you
> > stating a fact, that all members of the Society of Black
> > Lawyers were born out of wedlock?
> >
> > Calling people names is bad manners. If, Flat_Eric, you're
> > over the age of eighteen, I suggest you start to grow-up, and
> > grow-up fast, at that.
>
>
> Do come down off your high horse, mr. playlist! That's a figure
> of speech as well you know, and completely different to calling
> someone names to their face - which is the subject of this
> thread.
>
> So you've never in your life referred to someone (or some group
> of people) who's annoyed you as "bastards" (or similar) when
> you've been in conversation with a third party?
>
> Or even thought it quietly to yourself?
>
> No? Well either you're a saint or a fucking liar - one of the
> two (and that my friend is not "calling you names", it's
> "stating a fact").
>
> In my book, such a sanctimonious, holier-than-thou yet
> extremely snide, snotty and patronising way of talking to
> people is every bit as unpleasant, offensive and "bad manners"
> as just coming straight out with it and calling someone a cunt.
>
> Have a nice day!
>
> - Eric

Calling someone a bastard is name-calling, not a figure of speech. Have I ever called a person a name to their face? Of course I have, but I've always been aware that I was in the wrong to do so, and that's because when I was young and did it, either my parents or teachers would have picked me up on it.

Is trying to treat others with dignity and respect by consciously trying not to resort to name-calling being sanctimonious and holier-than-thou? Great, I'll take that all day.

And if you think I'm being extremely snide, snotty and patronising towards you, then tough. Start to grow-up and treat others with dignity and respect then maybe people won't be so patronising or condescending towards you.

a m playlist wrote:

> Calling someone a bastard is name-calling, not a figure of
> speech. Have I ever called a person a name to their face? Of
> course I have, but I've always been aware that I was in the
> wrong to do so, and that's because when I was young and did it,
> either my parents or teachers would have picked me up on it.


So not a saint after all then. Despite all the self-righteous posturing.


> Is trying to treat others with dignity and respect by
> consciously trying not to resort to name-calling being
> sanctimonious and holier-than-thou?


No - they're two different things.

Treating people with dignity and respect is what it says on the tin.

On the other hand, patrolling internet forums and trying to "educate" people (who you don't know from Adam) on how to speak & behave and telling them to "grow up" is being snotty, sanctimonious and holier-than-thou.

- Eric

a m playlist wrote:

> And if you think I'm being extremely snide, snotty and
> patronising towards you, then tough. Start to grow-up and
> treat others with dignity and respect then maybe people won't
> be so patronising or condescending towards you.


You're making the mistake of thinking that I attach any importance whatsoever to what an anonymous Internet entity called "a m playlist" may or may not think about me on the basis of some forum postings.

I will however happily call bullshit when I see it - and you my friend appear to be full of it.

In any case you're boring me now so I'll say cheerio.

- Eric

Flat_Eric wrote:

> a m playlist wrote:
>
> > Calling someone a bastard is name-calling, not a figure of
> > speech. Have I ever called a person a name to their face?
> Of
> > course I have, but I've always been aware that I was in the
> > wrong to do so, and that's because when I was young and did
> it,
> > either my parents or teachers would have picked me up on it.
>
>
> So not a saint after all then. Despite all the self-righteous
> posturing.
>
>
> > Is trying to treat others with dignity and respect by
> > consciously trying not to resort to name-calling being
> > sanctimonious and holier-than-thou?
>
>
> No - they're two different things.
>
> Treating people with dignity and respect is what it says on the
> tin.
>
> On the other hand, patrolling internet forums and trying to
> "educate" people (who you don't know from Adam) on how to speak
> & behave and telling them to "grow up" is being snotty,
> sanctimonious and holier-than-thou.
>
> - Eric

No, I'm no saint, but I don't mind a bit of self-righteous posturing and looking to educate others on how to speak and behave when it appears that those others don't appear to have been taught good manners. If you think me telling you to grow up is being snotty, sanctimonious and holier-than-thou, then tough.

Flat_Eric wrote:

> a m playlist wrote:
>
> > And if you think I'm being extremely snide, snotty and
> > patronising towards you, then tough. Start to grow-up and
> > treat others with dignity and respect then maybe people won't
> > be so patronising or condescending towards you.
>
>
> You're making the mistake of thinking that I attach any
> importance whatsoever to what an anonymous Internet entity
> called "a m playlist" may or may not think about me on the
> basis of some forum postings.
>
> I will however happily call bullshit when I see it - and you my
> friend appear to be full of it.
>
> In any case you're boring me now so I'll say cheerio.
>
> - Eric

Oh, I'm sure you don't attach any importance to what I may or may not think of you. But remember this lesson, Flat_Eric: treat people with dignity and respect, then chances are people won't be so patronising or condescending towards you. Now what is that I smell? Are yes, the distinct smell of bull you know what. But where is it emanating from? From you, Flat_Eric, or somewhere else?

Sam Slater wrote:

> Wait a minute - we weren't comparing white-on-black vs
> black-on-white racism. All forms of racism should be equally
> bad in my book.
>
> I was specifically talking about picking up on a person's race
> vs picking up on some physical characteristic like a big nose,
> ginger hair, fat arse etc...

Some of these insults are firmly rooted in racist abuse, in particular big nose (Jewish), ginger hair (Irish).

> They're different. You must realise that you would label
> yourself 'white' over any other single physical characteristic
> and being white is more about WHO you are than the curliness of
> your hair, or how much your ears stick out.

Well, when I want to abuse someone (verbally) then I want to abuse THEM and therefore precisely WHO THEY ARE. That is what personal insult is all about. I know there is a Christian tradition of Born Innocence, Acquired Guilt and Redemption etc. in the Western World, where we are all born good and equal etc. Behind it is the idea of the separation of body and soul. Thus to insult properly you are supposed to insult their soul (what they have become), not their body (what they are), because you are born with your skin colour etc. and all your nasty habits come in later out of deploying free will. As a non-Christian I do not buy into that distinction, and I do not buy into being born good either. IMO physical characteristics are not fundamentally different from behavioural characteristics.

BTW I would not label myself white over any other physical characteristic, simply because I live in a city with a white majority - in other words, the 'white' physical characteristic is in that context not very distinctive, even less distinctive than being 'male'.

a m playlist wrote:

> Oh, I'm sure you don't attach any importance to what I may or
> may not think of you.


Finally - the penny has dropped!! !laugh!

- Eric

a m playlist wrote:

> But remember this lesson, Flat_Eric: !tut! !teacher!


Take. Lesson. Monkey. Shove. Nuts.


I'll leave you to fill in the missing words.

- Eric !hatsoff!

a m playlist wrote:

> But where is it emanating from? From you, Flat_Eric, or
> somewhere else?


Quite obviously somewhere else. !wink!

- Eric

Flat_Eric wrote:

> a m playlist wrote:
>
> > But where is it emanating from? From you, Flat_Eric, or
> > somewhere else?
>
>
> Quite obviously somewhere else. !wink!
>
> - Eric

Nah, I know it's emanating from you. Your so full of it, and bile, as well.