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Sam Slater wrote:
>


Wrong. It can refer to both.

The Collins English Dictionary defines it thus:

1) On or from the other side of the Atlantic.
2) Crossing the Atlantic.

You stand corrected (not that I'm being pedantic, but .... !wink!)

- Eric

Thanks for that Eric. Good point, well argued. You've convinced me!

David Johnson wrote:

> Thanks for that Eric. Good point, well argued. You've
> convinced me!

I knew it was only a matter of time before you saw the light David !idea!.

- Eric

David Johnson wrote:

> Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s. -
> Possibly due to strong economy inherited from the Tories in
> 1997.
>
> You have been listening to too much Francis Maude. The
> economy was so strong under the Tories that the electorate gave
> Labour a landslide majority.
>
> > 2. Low mortgage rates. = Ditto
>
> YOu have been listening to too much Francis Maude. The economy
> was so strong under the Tories that the electorate gave Labour
> a landslide majority.
>
If you think the economy was the reason Labour won in 1997, then you really need to get out more. The major (no pun intended) factor was the country was fed up with Tory sleaze and also after 18 years the country wanted a change.


>
> > 4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.----Does this
> include the useless PCSOs?
>
> Not sure, but it is still an enhanced presence on the streets
> which the Tories didnt have. Every community had its own
> dedicated
> neighbourhood police team, easily contactable by the people who
> live in that community and working with them to agree local
> priorities and
> deal with people?s concerns

Well, it is enhanced if you want a police force that operates between 9am and 5pm...


>
> > 5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.----I would dispute that.
> Figures can be massaged and there are many reports of crimes
> either not being reported or changed so that a car break-in is
> not counted and that if there are several offences they are
> counted as one.
>
> "Figures can be massaged" So you choose not to believe them
> because it doesnt fit in with your argument. Not the most
> convincing point I have ever read.

Ask people if they feel safer and the answer you will generally get is no. Whether crime has fallen or not, it's the perception of crime that people fear and for most perception becomes reality. Remember in your figures are so-called victimless crimes. I would bet that violent crimes and crimes that burglary have gone up.


>
>
> > 6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
> > 7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at
> 14, 16, and 18. ----Utter nonsense. If this is true why has the
> CBI and bosses of Tesco and M&S complained that many school
> leavers are unemployable? Why have many university chancellors
> say that they have to give remedial literacy and numeracy
> lessons to new students? And presumably some members of this
> board were educated during the Blair era - the illiteracy here
> is often truly shocking.
>
> I cant remember a time when universities havent complained
> about students. In 1997 more than half of all schools saw less
> than 30% of their pupils get five good GCSEs including English
> and Maths. 10 years later only 270 schools fail to reach this
> benchmark

Yes, it's easier to achieve to crow about successes when the exams are much easier.
1959 Maths O level question:
Simplify 3 3/10 divided by (2 1/3 minus 1 7/8)

2010 Maths GCSE question:
Here is a sequence of multiples of 3.
3 6 9 12 15 _____ _____
Write down the next two numbers in the sequence


> > 10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest
> > countries.====But left by their own account more than a
> million children in poverty in this country.
>
> Ah, the lets not help anyone outside this country, the cunts,
> and only look after our own argument.
>
Have you never heard the expression charity begins at home?
>
>

>
> > 14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
> > 15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.----Not a benefit to
> the UK and we just end up paying more tax to support more
> (unnecessary) politicians and Spads.
>
> There were referenda for these assemblies. Not a great
> believer in democracy are you?

Nor are the Labour or Tories or they would have given us a referendum on staying in the EU. Or the restoration of capital punishment, which, I would argue, most people would vote for.

>
> > 17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.---And
> often wrong advice.
>
> Often?

From personal experience they gave me the wrong diagnosis when I had chicken pox and also I used to work for a branch of the NHS. My colleagues did not inspire confidence.
>

>
> > 20. Record number of students in higher education.---Yes,
> having dumbed down A Levels those degrees in media studies and
> fashion are so useful.
>
> Yes it is much better to keep numbers down so that only a
> public school elite go to college.

What is the point of sending someone to university to read media studies when what the country actually needs are more mechanics, plumbers and electricians? I would also argue that more grammar school children went to university than public school ones but we mustn't have selection by ability, must we? It discriminates against "equality".



>
> > 23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights
> Commission.---And what a disaster that has turned about to be.
>
> Equality and human rights. It's all shite, obviously.

It's not about human rights or equality though. The Human Rights Act has become a spiv's charter for fatuous lawsuits and keeping convicted terrorists in this country. See the book "Strictly No!" by Simon Mills for why the meddling classes need victims to keep their cushy jobs.




>
> > 25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing
> greenhouse gas emissions.------Another waste of time. How much
> greenhouse gas did we contribute to the world? Less than 3%.
> What is the point when China and India are building power
> stations every day? What is the point of acting locally when
> the problem is global?
>
> Think globally, act locally. If everyone took your line,
> nothing would be done.

Doing nothing is better than the economically suicidal policies Gordon Brown introduced. China and India aren't going to follow the "line" and global warming is the biggest hoax of the 21st Century. Despite all the doom and gloom forecasts the planet hasn't got any warmer since 1998. I'm surprised that you are not claiming that as a Labour achievement.

>
> > 26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.---Like
> the Scottish and NI governments, a waste of money. And why
> hasn't either government closed the Scottish, Welsh and NI
> Offices in London?
>
> Brought relative peace in Northern Ireland. Would you prefer
> the huge number of killings, bombings and British soldiers on
> the streets of Northern Ireland that Thatcher's government saw?

There are still punishment gangs and torture beatings being doled out. And now we have murderers, terrorists and gangsters in public office in Northern Ireland and huge number of killings, bombings and British soldiers on the streets of Kabul.



>
> > 29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.---Depends on
> your definition of poverty and not much use when many have to
> decide whether to eat or heat.
>
> Winter fuel, bus passes, pensioner credits - work it out for
> yourself.

Pensioner credits? Why are pensioners being taxed in the first place and why at their age should they have to fill in forms to get money that is due to them?
>
>
> > 30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.---But
> apparently still poor.
>
> Improved their lot and this is beyond dispute.

But apparently still poor.

>
> > 31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to
> parents.----Ah yes, but they could have eased the situation
> much more easily by lowering the tax threshold in the first
> place rather than Brown taxing the poor and then making them
> fill in forms to get their own money back. If you lower the tax
> threshold everyone benefits, if you make them fill in forms
> only the bureaucrats win.
>
> Yes, the Tories did so much in helping the less well off in
> comparison.

We are not talking about what the Tories did. I thought I'd already established that - you are boasting about what Labour did (or didn't do).

>
> > 32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil
> Partnerships.---But still siblings who live together are
> discriminated against when one dies.
>
> Should I repeat this point Repealed Section 28 and introduced
> Civil Partnerships. YOu are a glass half empty kinda guy
> aren't you?

Sorry, I thought this was about human rights and equality. Why are siblings who live together discriminated against?


>
> > 35. Banned fox hunting. ----And put several hundred thousand
> farm workers out of a job.
>
> Thank you for the COuntryside Alliance viewpoint. "Hundreds of
> thousands" bollocks. Bring back bear baiting I say. What a
> great sport!

Why was fox hunting banned? Because it's cruel? Because it doesn't serve a purpose? Because only rich people indulged in it? Then why not ban all hunting and for that matter fishing? Game fisherman use a barb that rips open the top of the fish's mouth or is that okay because some poor people like fishing?




> > 40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.----In London
> that has been the case for years, pre-dating Labour.
>
> Like I have said elsewhere you need to get out more. Free
> off-peak travel on buses was made available anywhere in England
> for over-60s and disabled people.

Doesn't negate my point that this has been available in London for years. My nan had a free bus pass and she died in 1979.

>
> > 42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been
> started.----And scrapped by Brown.

No riposte?

>
> > 46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.---But still
> leaving Britons in poverty. Giving money to India when it has a
> space program and its own overseas aid budget is nothing short
> of obscene.
>
> Leave those foreign cunts to rot, I say.

I never called them cunts and you haven't answered the point about why we are giving money to countries like India or Brazil (which has a higher GDP than us)?

>
> > 47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths
> down
> > by 50,000.---Depends on where you live.
>
> These figures are clearly overall, summary figures. You will
> get variations......obviously!

Why? If, say, a cancer drug that prolongs life is available why should you not get it just because you live in the wrong postcode?

>
> > 48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per
> cent.----Training and apprenticeships are all very well IF they
> lead somewhere.
>
> Lets not train the unemployed. Leave them to rot on the dole
> or better still like the Tores provide free labour to Argos so
> they can cut their employee bill.

I said if they lead somewhere but there are millions of longterm unemployed (often put on a different list so they don't show up as jobless).

I admire your determination to defend the indefensible, but I think you need to understand when it is best to throw in the towel.

Of course we can and are discussing the effectiveness of the measures I reference re. what Labour did for those who's pockets aren't full of bundles of ?20s

But despite being asked 4 times to come up with an equivalent list of what Thatcher, Major and Cameron have done for the same people, you cannot. You fail completely and utterly.

The problem that is insurmountable for you is that

1. There are so many of the electorate who lived through Thatcher and Major. The very same people who would call you bonkers for stating that there is only a fag paper difference between the parties.

2. YOu are clearly a London/Essex boy and have no real understanding of the North, otherwise you wouldnt be wasting your time losing this argument about the parties being the same.

The bottom line is that much of the electorate know that there are big differences between the parties. WHere were the areas of the UK that were hammered most by Thatcher and Major? - Scotland, North East England, Wales and the Liverpool area where manufacturing, coal mining and heavy industry jobs were decimated.

Despite the worst recession in living memory and one of the most unpopular Prime Ministers ever in the 2010 general election,

How many seats out of 59 in Scotland did the Tories win? 1.

How many seats out of 40 in Wales did the Tories win? 8 and that was a vast improvement on their previous result.

In the Liverpool area, virtually 0.

In the Durham and Tyneside area, virtually 0.

If there was so little to choose between the political parties these results would have been far, far closer. The electorate that suffered under Thatcherism and Major get it. You alas are all at sea without a paddle.

Extremely well reposted EL.

Thank you.

David Johnson wrote:

> The bottom line is that much of the electorate know that there
> are big differences between the parties.


Presumably that's why only 32% of the electorate could be arsed turning out to vote in the local elections in May then David. And even at the last general election, turnout was only 65% (up until 1992, turnout at general elections was invariably in the mid to upper 70s for the entire post-war period). That adds up to a lot of people turning their backs on party politics.

Fact is that more and more people are getting utterly disillusioned with all of the "Big Three" parties and regard voting for them as pretty much akin to having a choice between having a nasty bout of typhoid, dengue fever or bubonic plague.

And even among those who do vote, there is a significant proportion of entrenched voters (such as those who voted Labour "because me grandad / me dad always did" or because "I'm from a Labour family"). Not because they're convinced that Ed Milliband is the best thing since sliced bread or even because they have the first fucking clue about any of the current Labour Party's policies (the same is true on the Tory side of course).

- Eric

Sorry I missed a couple of your postings.

Have a look at this electoral map:



There seem to be Tory MPs quite a long way up north.

I spent a long time in Ripon and Harrogate - didn't see too many Labour supporters there (apart from students). Not too many in Tatton either.

To go back to my main point, please tell me the major differences between the Tories and Labour on the following:

Troops in Afghanistan/Iraq
Involvement in Libya
Possible involvement in Syria
EU membership
Reintroduction of grammar schools
Wind farms
"Green" policies
Immigration
Capital punishment
VAT
Speed cameras
Tuition fees
etc, etc

Since you have thrown in the towel trying to explain how there is hardly a fag papers difference between the parties, I'll give you a minute of my time to reply to this lot of non-sequiturs. I will use CAPS to make it easier to read my points.

Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s. -
> Possibly due to strong economy inherited from the Tories in
> 1997.
>
> You have been listening to too much Francis Maude. The
> economy was so strong under the Tories that the electorate gave
> Labour a landslide majority.
>
> > 2. Low mortgage rates. = Ditto
>
> YOu have been listening to too much Francis Maude. The economy
> was so strong under the Tories that the electorate gave Labour
> a landslide majority.
>
If you think the economy was the reason Labour won in 1997, then you really need to get out more. The major (no pun intended) factor was the country was fed up with Tory sleaze and also after 18 years the country wanted a change.

NO I DID NOT SAY THAT. HOWEVER, WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT THE ELECTORATE HAD HAD ENOUGH OF THATCHER'S AND MAJOR'S DECIMATION OF THE INDUSTRIAL BASE OF THIS COUNTRY AND THE WHOLESALE PRIVATISATION OF THE FAMILY SILVER AT KNOCK DOWN PRICES. NOW IF YOU THINK THAT IS A GLORIOUS INHERITANCE FOR THE LABOUR GOVERNMENT, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS HOUSEBOUND.

>
> > 4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.----Does this
> include the useless PCSOs?
>
> Not sure, but it is still an enhanced presence on the streets
> which the Tories didnt have. Every community had its own
> dedicated
> neighbourhood police team, easily contactable by the people who
> live in that community and working with them to agree local
> priorities and
> deal with people?s concerns

Well, it is enhanced if you want a police force that operates between 9am and 5pm...

THANKS FOR AGREEING THAT THERE WERE MORE POLICE.


>
> > 5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.----I would dispute that.
> Figures can be massaged and there are many reports of crimes
> either not being reported or changed so that a car break-in is
> not counted and that if there are several offences they are
> counted as one.
>
> "Figures can be massaged" So you choose not to believe them
> because it doesnt fit in with your argument. Not the most
> convincing point I have ever read.

Ask people if they feel safer and the answer you will generally get is no. Whether crime has fallen or not, it's the perception of crime that people fear and for most perception becomes reality. Remember in your figures are so-called victimless crimes. I would bet that violent crimes and crimes that burglary have gone up.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU ARE NOT CONVINCED BY THE FIGURES THOUGH IT IS IN YOUR OWN WORDS A "BET" AND YOU DO NOT PROVIDE ANY OF YOUR OWN. FAIRLY WORTHLESS POINT THEN.
>
>
> > 6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
> > 7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at
> 14, 16, and 18. ----Utter nonsense. If this is true why has the
> CBI and bosses of Tesco and M&S complained that many school
> leavers are unemployable? Why have many university chancellors
> say that they have to give remedial literacy and numeracy
> lessons to new students? And presumably some members of this
> board were educated during the Blair era - the illiteracy here
> is often truly shocking.
>
> I cant remember a time when universities havent complained
> about students. In 1997 more than half of all schools saw less
> than 30% of their pupils get five good GCSEs including English
> and Maths. 10 years later only 270 schools fail to reach this
> benchmark

Yes, it's easier to achieve to crow about successes when the exams are much easier.
1959 Maths O level question:
Simplify 3 3/10 divided by (2 1/3 minus 1 7/8)

2010 Maths GCSE question:
Here is a sequence of multiples of 3.
3 6 9 12 15 _____ _____
Write down the next two numbers in the sequence

YES YOU ARE QUITE RIGHT. THERE WERE ONLY A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO CLIMBED EVEREST IN THE 1950'S WITH OXYGEN. NOW YOU GET DOZENS EVERY DAY. THAT IS BECAUSE EVEREST IS MUCH SMALLER.


> > 10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest
> > countries.====But left by their own account more than a
> million children in poverty in this country.
>
> Ah, the lets not help anyone outside this country, the cunts,
> and only look after our own argument.
>
Have you never heard the expression charity begins at home?

YOU DONT WANT TO GIVE MONEY TO FOREIGNERS. THAT IS YOUR PREROGATIVE TO THINK LIKE THAT. OTHERS INCLUDING POLITICAL PARTIES THANKFULLY DISAGREE.
>
>

>
> > 14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
> > 15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.----Not a benefit to
> the UK and we just end up paying more tax to support more
> (unnecessary) politicians and Spads.
>
> There were referenda for these assemblies. Not a great
> believer in democracy are you?

Nor are the Labour or Tories or they would have given us a referendum on staying in the EU. Or the restoration of capital punishment, which, I would argue, most people would vote for.

THANK YOU FOR AGREEING WITH MY POINT THAT YOU ARE NOT A BELIEVER IN DEMOCRACY. THE PEOPLE VOTED IN THE ASSEMBLY ELECTIONS IN FAVOUR. IF DICTATOR ESSEX LAD WANTS TO OVERTHROW THAT. GET ON WITH THE ATTEMPT. PREFERABLY WITHOUT ASIDES E.G. THE EU, THAT HAVE NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH THE POINT MADE.

>
> > 17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.---And
> often wrong advice.
>
> Often?

From personal experience they gave me the wrong diagnosis when I had chicken pox and also I used to work for a branch of the NHS. My colleagues did not inspire confidence.

YOU GOT THE WRONG ADVICE. THAT MEANS 100% OF THE ADVICE IS WRONG. I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT NOW.
>

>
> > 20. Record number of students in higher education.---Yes,
> having dumbed down A Levels those degrees in media studies and
> fashion are so useful.
>
> Yes it is much better to keep numbers down so that only a
> public school elite go to college.

What is the point of sending someone to university to read media studies when what the country actually needs are more mechanics, plumbers and electricians? I would also argue that more grammar school children went to university than public school ones but we mustn't have selection by ability, must we? It discriminates against "equality".

I HAD A HISTORY DEGREE AND YOU KNOW WHAT DESPITE NOT GETTING A JOB WRITING HISTORY BOOKS, IT HAS HELPED ME GET WORK.

>
> > 23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights
> Commission.---And what a disaster that has turned about to be.
>
> Equality and human rights. It's all shite, obviously.

It's not about human rights or equality though. The Human Rights Act has become a spiv's charter for fatuous lawsuits and keeping convicted terrorists in this country. See the book "Strictly No!" by Simon Mills for why the meddling classes need victims to keep their cushy jobs.

EQUALITY AND HUMAN RIGHTS "ITS NOT ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS OR EQUALITY" THANK YOU FOR THAT WELL ARGUED POINT.


>
> > 25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing
> greenhouse gas emissions.------Another waste of time. How much
> greenhouse gas did we contribute to the world? Less than 3%.
> What is the point when China and India are building power
> stations every day? What is the point of acting locally when
> the problem is global?
>
> Think globally, act locally. If everyone took your line,
> nothing would be done.

Doing nothing is better than the economically suicidal policies Gordon Brown introduced. China and India aren't going to follow the "line" and global warming is the biggest hoax of the 21st Century. Despite all the doom and gloom forecasts the planet hasn't got any warmer since 1998. I'm surprised that you are not claiming that as a Labour achievement.

CLIMATE WARMING? GET WITH THE TERMINOLOGY - CLIMATE CHANGE.

>
> > 26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.---Like
> the Scottish and NI governments, a waste of money. And why
> hasn't either government closed the Scottish, Welsh and NI
> Offices in London?
>
> Brought relative peace in Northern Ireland. Would you prefer
> the huge number of killings, bombings and British soldiers on
> the streets of Northern Ireland that Thatcher's government saw?

There are still punishment gangs and torture beatings being doled out. And now we have murderers, terrorists and gangsters in public office in Northern Ireland and huge number of killings, bombings and British soldiers on the streets of Kabul.

I HAVE LIVED IN BELFAST FOR 15 MONTHS AND UNLIKE YOU I CAN SEE THAT THE LEVELS OF VIOLENCE ETC ARE A QUANTUM LEAP LOWER NOW THEN THEY WERE UNDER THATCHER. CLEARLY NOT GONE AWAY, BUT A HUGE IMPROVEMENT.

>
> > 29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.---Depends on
> your definition of poverty and not much use when many have to
> decide whether to eat or heat.
>
> Winter fuel, bus passes, pensioner credits - work it out for
> yourself.

Pensioner credits? Why are pensioners being taxed in the first place and why at their age should they have to fill in forms to get money that is due to them?
>
PENSIONS ARE TOO LOW I AGREE. BUT AT LEAST LABOUR ATTEMPTED TO RECTIFY THAT VIA PENSIONER CREDITS WHICH IS BETTER THAN NOTHING OR EVEN WORSE GETTING RID OF PENSIONER TAX ALLOWANCES WHICH CAMERON HAS JUST DONE..
>
> > 30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.---But
> apparently still poor.
>
> Improved their lot and this is beyond dispute.

But apparently still poor.

THERE ARE STILL POOR BUT THAT DOES NOT NEGATE THE ACHIEVEMENTS.....OBVIOUSLY.



>
> > 31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to
> parents.----Ah yes, but they could have eased the situation
> much more easily by lowering the tax threshold in the first
> place rather than Brown taxing the poor and then making them
> fill in forms to get their own money back. If you lower the tax
> threshold everyone benefits, if you make them fill in forms
> only the bureaucrats win.
>
> Yes, the Tories did so much in helping the less well off in
> comparison.

We are not talking about what the Tories did. I thought I'd already established that - you are boasting about what Labour did (or didn't do).

YES I KNOW YOU ARE UNABLE TO TALK ABOUT THE TORIES. REMEMBER THE TORIES? THE PARTY THAT IS SCARCELY A FAG'S PAPER DIFFERENCE FROM LABOUR !WINK!

>
> > 32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil
> Partnerships.---But still siblings who live together are
> discriminated against when one dies.
>
> Should I repeat this point Repealed Section 28 and introduced
> Civil Partnerships. YOu are a glass half empty kinda guy
> aren't you?

Sorry, I thought this was about human rights and equality. Why are siblings who live together discriminated against?

I KNOW YOU EXPECT THE LABOUR GOVERNMENT TO SOLVE EVERYTHING BUT GIVEN THE THATCHER RECORD ON HOMOPHOBIA, LABOUR DID HAVE A MAJOR ACHIEVEMENT.


>
> > 35. Banned fox hunting. ----And put several hundred thousand
> farm workers out of a job.
>
> Thank you for the COuntryside Alliance viewpoint. "Hundreds of
> thousands" bollocks. Bring back bear baiting I say. What a
> great sport!

Why was fox hunting banned? Because it's cruel? Because it doesn't serve a purpose? Because only rich people indulged in it? Then why not ban all hunting and for that matter fishing? Game fisherman use a barb that rips open the top of the fish's mouth or is that okay because some poor people like fishing?

THANKS FOR AGREEING TO THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS BOLLOCKS. DID YOU JUST MAKE THAT FIGURE UP AND HOPE I WOULD IGNORE IT?




> > 40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.----In London
> that has been the case for years, pre-dating Labour.
>
> Like I have said elsewhere you need to get out more. Free
> off-peak travel on buses was made available anywhere in England
> for over-60s and disabled people.

Doesn't negate my point that this has been available in London for years. My nan had a free bus pass and she died in 1979.

SO THE FACT THAT LABOUR INTRODUCED FREE BUS PASSES FOR THE WHOLE OF ENGLAND SHOULD JUST BE IGNORED SHOULD IT? OR IS IT AN ACHIEVEMENT? OF COURSE IT IS.

>
> > 42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been
> started.----And scrapped by Brown.

No riposte? DO I HAVE TO CORRECT EVERYTHING? BESIDES YOU CANT EVEN DEFEND YOUR CENTRAL ARGUMENT THAT THERE IS HARDLY A FAG PAPER BETWEEN THE PARTIES.
>
> > 46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.---But still
> leaving Britons in poverty. Giving money to India when it has a
> space program and its own overseas aid budget is nothing short
> of obscene.
>
> Leave those foreign cunts to rot, I say.

I never called them cunts and you haven't answered the point about why we are giving money to countries like India or Brazil (which has a higher GDP than us)?

PERSONALLY I DO NOT THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO GIVE AID TO INDIA. HAVING SAID THAT THERE ARE FAR MORE WORTHY CASES AND I SUPPORT THOSE.

>
> > 47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths
> down
> > by 50,000.---Depends on where you live.
>
> These figures are clearly overall, summary figures. You will
> get variations......obviously!

Why? If, say, a cancer drug that prolongs life is available why should you not get it just because you live in the wrong postcode?

YOU MISS THE POINT AS USUAL. THERE ARE AREAS WHICH HAVE FAR GREATER SPECIALISM IN CANCER TREATMENT EG THE ROYAL MARSDEN SO YOU WILL NEVER GET AN EQUAL RESULTS THROUGHOUT THE UK. AND YES THERE ARE VARIATIONS IN DRUG AVAILABILITY BUT THE CENTRA POINT IS CORRECT AND IS AN ACHIEVEMENT.

>
> > 48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per
> cent.----Training and apprenticeships are all very well IF they
> lead somewhere.
>
> Lets not train the unemployed. Leave them to rot on the dole
> or better still like the Tores provide free labour to Argos so
> they can cut their employee bill.

I said if they lead somewhere but there are millions of longterm unemployed (often put on a different list so they don't show up as jobless).

I REPEAT GIVING PEOPLE SOME DECENT TRAINING AND APPRENTICESHIPS IS FAR FAR BETTER THAN GETTING QUALIFIED PEOPLE TO STACK SHELVES IN ARGOS SO THAT THEY CAN CUT THEIR OVERTIME BILL.