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Re: My Lai 1968
Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:01 am
by frankthring
I see that the staff sergeant killer, now named in the Press, claims stress,
alcohol and marital difficulties caused him to commit the atrocity, though
how these problems, which are fairly normal reactions to a tough life, can
absolve him of lining up 9 chuildren and shooting them (not forgetting all
the adults) is anyone`s guess. It was a monstrous action, it turns him into
a monster and I sincerely hope he is executed.
Jim... I know you love your kindle books, but try and read a really excellent
hardback that won prizes for its investigative reporting - THREE HOURS AT
MAI LAI. The US Army tried hard to cover up the massacre but it took a
brave - white - junior officer and finally a brave superior to push for a true
Army investigation and not a cover-up. By the way, the sadistic bastard
who went on a killing spree and ordered the massacre - Lt Calley - runs, I
believe, his family`s grocery business in a small town in the Deep South.
It beggars belief that killers get off like this !
Re: My Lai 1968
Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:28 am
by jimslip
Lt Calley runs a grocery store after having aided and abetted the brutal murder of up to 500 innocents?
Only in the good 'Ol "Land of the Free and home of the brave!"
Re: US soldier massacre of civilians.
Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:50 am
by spider
"If you did did a poll in Iraq, I think the vast majority of people, would say the war was worth it.".
Well of course there would be 600,000 Iraqis who wouldn't get a vote because they were killed in the conflict.
"Taliban and Al Qaeda detainees are pretty rough guys."
I'm sure they are very unpleasant fellows, but then I'd cut-up a bit rough if I'd been kidnapped from my home to be flown half way round the world, tortured and then thrown in a cell without access to legal representation or any hope ever of being put on trail to present my defence.
Detainees at Guantanamo have included 13, 14, 15 and 16 year old boys and at least one 88-year-old man, and a 98-year-old man".
I assume they were kidnapped from their homes, sorry I mean rendered from their homes.
Those 98 year-old towel heads are really nasty, I wanted him chained down before I went anywhere near him.
Tell me if the US are so confident of the legality of what they are doing, why don't they sign-up to the conventions of the International Courts?
Re: US soldier massacre of civilians.
Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:09 am
by jimslip
Here are some polls taken on Iraqi opinion on the occupation and war:
Re: US soldier massacre of civilians.
Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:00 pm
by Mike Evans
Many are what the Amercian Republican call bleeding heart liberals. I'm a Democrat,
Jimslip,
You already know of what I think of you, so when you post polls that are amlmost five years old, it says that you being dishonest. Thoses polls were taken when Iraq was rampant with violence. Give me a 2012 poll, I think that most Iraqis would say the war was worth it.
Spider,
The hundreds thousands of people Saddam killed during his regime want get a vote either. You act like all these guys are innocent. We released people who we thought are innocent, and released people we had good evidence that they were guilty to their home countries. Boy and old men will have tough it up they detaineed for a reason. We have only detained about thousand people from both wars. I t would be political suicide, If Obama signed to
the conventions of the International Courts. I wouldn't agree with the move. Our would be a witch hunt on Amercian generals and admirals when incident like Blair killings happen.
frankthring,
In the military, soldiers lose controlall the time, usually someone stops them. I bet talk any average British soldier, they will tell you about wild incidents, but no got killed or hurt, so it didn't make the news. I was in the U. S. Army one my soldier was have alot personal problems. I said some to me and he just napped. He was going to throw a grenade at me, but the other soldiers stopped him. Blair could've just wanted to kill some afghans, I really dont know, but serviced 3 tour in Iraq with no major incidents.
Re: US soldier massacre of civilians.
Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:22 pm
by spider
"You act like all these guys are innocent".
We have a convention in English law that "you are innocent, until proved guilty".
Where is the process to prove the detainees guilty?
We also have conventions against torture, extra judicial killings and kidnap, all things the US have signed up to in their "war on terror".
Blair, Brown and Cameron don't have the guts to speak out and say what the US are doing is wrong.
I'm sure Saddam was a complete Bastard, but Al Qaeda weren't operating in Iraq until the US interfered because Saddam had the country screwed down tight.
The US intervention in Iraq has been a complete disaster. Why people continue to defend it is completely beyond me.
Re: US soldier massacre of civilians.
Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:48 pm
by Mike Evans
I'm Democrat, and didn't the Bush polices of toture, against detainees. Your extra judicial killings and kidnapping points, are invalid. No, country is going let terrorists plan and attack its citizens with impunity. International courts are lose, and Bin Laden had already killed thousands of Americans. The Allies did did alot unnecessary things in WWII, like firing bombing German and Japanese citizens. If Iraq is good a stable country ten years form now, no one we care about the reason we went into that country.
Re: US soldier massacre of civilians.
Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:49 pm
by Mike Evans
I ment to say the International courts are slow.
Re: US soldier massacre of civilians.
Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:00 pm
by RoddersUK
Motor vehicles go in for "servicing" Soldiers "serve"
Re: US soldier massacre of civilians.
Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:09 pm
by RoddersUK
I thought that the American President is the Commander in Chief.
You're English grammar is a tad over the place. Try slowing down before you type, oh, and try the spellchecker sometimes.