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Been watching this debate for several days, so let me add a few opinions.
As a long term director I can sympathise with Dave Wells if he has shot a
scene but the producer failed to give him a dvd. In my 30 or so years in this
biz I have tried to collect most of the movies I made. Several times I ended
up buying them because I realised that for admin reasons it was sometimes
the best way to get a copy. If one has worked hard to make a good little
movie (or you have tried your best), its nice to think the producer has enough
respect for you to part with a "file" copy for his director. I now solve this
problem, Mr Wells, by insisting a "file " copy clause is inserted in any contract
I have with a production company. I suggest you do the same.
Regarding original content versus the tubes - and I frequently look at both
sites and tubes - I think the growing trend, designed by Manwin, who own
more than half the main tube sites (and who also own numerous normal
pay sites eg Brazzers, Mofos and many others) is to keep scs down to 5
mins and with the best stuff deliberately edited out (ie pop shots or most of
the fucking).
This means that the real fans of that kind of genre - anal/teens/old guys and
young girls/big tits etc etc etc - might enjoy tube sites for a quick wank but
true porn afficionados will go to sites devoted to their special kink. Thus a
guy who wants to see teen chix fucked by an older guy, and like nicely shot,
entertaining sex will go to jimslip for a full 40 mins or so, rather than a rip off
on a tube site....and don`t lets even talk about the dreadful picture quality
of most tube scenes, the constant and infuriating stream of adverts and
cookies that are killing them.
Personally, I think tubes will soon see a backlash as fans get sick of cookies,
poor link-ups and low quality.

We have been doing this for 14yrs & are still learning new things, as soon as you are doing something that earns you money the rules change & you have to adapt to the new rules.
Making porn legal in the UK killed it, then the internet caused the fall of DVD sales & it was the first nails in the coffin...then comes ATVOD & on so on & so on.
We might be able to pick out a dozen producers who started or were around we when we started & now there are 1000's trying to have a bite of the same carrot.
With the recession people worry more about fuel, rent & food so porn takes yet another kicking, we watch loads come & go but its sad when long term producers give up because it hits home more.

Kim x

[quote]The main problem with the industry right now is obviously piracy.[/quote]

No. The main problem with the music industry right now is the music industry not adapting to the digital age. Where artists and labels accepted this they've thrived (Lady Gaga for example).

The music industry, at the top, is made up of old white men in suits. Tbf most big industries are. They only understand the old ways of making money and those that don't adapt will die.........or pressure governments to revert the ways things are moving if they can.

No matter if it's movies, music, literature or porn, YOU adapt to the environment you're in, not sit and complain when the environment changes and your finances suffer. You can't stop evolution from ploughing on.

We do give out watermarked DVD copies (logo in top right corner) to people in our films as they like to see themselves & want a record of it etc, if a copy of this ends up on a boot sale or tube site we know where or who it come from & avoid them like the plague in any future work.
Its the download sites that are the worry & how easy it is to lift material from them, AW still have the best safe system around & thats why everyone including us uses it.
Renting your films from ?2.99 - ?9.99 (depending on how many days) is a great idea, they can only be watched online (no downloading) ensuring they stay safe.
?30-50 plus a day from AW pays the rent & bills so they stay number one to any new or seasoned producer wanting a steady income whilst trying to earn a wedge with their own sites.

Sam Slater wrote:

> [quote]The main problem with the industry right now is
> obviously piracy.[/quote]
>
> No. The main problem with the music industry right now is the
> music industry not adapting to the digital age. Where artists
> and labels accepted this they've thrived (Lady Gaga for
> example).
>
> The music industry, at the top, is made up of old white men in
> suits. Tbf most big industries are. They only understand the
> old ways of making money and those that don't adapt will
> die.........or pressure governments to revert the ways things
> are moving if they can.
>
> No matter if it's movies, music, literature or porn, YOU adapt
> to the environment you're in, not sit and complain when the
> environment changes and your finances suffer. You can't stop
> evolution from ploughing on.
>
In case you havn't noticed, unlike Lady Gaga, we can't sell our stuff on ITunes or Youtube, we can't put it in HMV, we are heavily restricted in every possible way, we can't advertise in any media including newspapers, TV, magazines in fact it is illegal to advertise porn per se and at the end of the day why should any producer bother when he's just offering a free service to freebie hunters? We don't have a PRS, chasing people for royalties and suing pirates.

Telling the good folk of porn to, "Get on yer bikes!" is a bit like shouting at a man bound to a wheel chair and saying, "Stop being such a lazy cunt, why don't you get up and get a job and stop whining!"

You are right people must adapt and we adapted years ago, as I predicted the whole scenario as it is now playing out. At the time I was met with howls of derision ie, "People will always want porn, Jim!" I remember thinking at. The time, "Yeah, they'll always want it, but they won't want to pay for it!"

"The main problem with the industry right now is obviously piracy"
No.

"No matter if it's movies, music, literature or porn, YOU adapt to the environment you're in, not sit and complain when the environment changes and your finances suffer. You can't stop evolution from ploughing on"

Given your firm negation about the importance of the role of piracy in porn Sam, what practical advice in terms of actions, can you give Jim Slip so he can change his mindset about the problems faced by the industry?

Cheers
D

I agree. I fully and proudly admit to be a dinosaur on this stuff because as Mr Thring will remember I was around in the 80's when Roy Stuart and I used to have budgets of $6000 to do photo set's (yes I did say photo set's) so all these clients would gladly send us copies of the finished mag ranging from Color Climax, Pleasure, Excelsior, Puritan etc, and this was the norm when I joined John Graham and mass shot for High Society, Gent, Mayfair, Fiesta etc etc. And the same can be said for the various video companies I have shot for generally.
Now it would seem with money so tight and no budgets at all to shoot anything, producers are just a bunch of tightarses !

Cela Vie !

Regretfully (because I was connected with making in all legal back in 2000), I agree with Kim. Although they would have never been able to stop the web stuff coming in.
And as for long term casualties, one is me as I'm on benefits with not enough work.

I agree with Jim

Dave, you are a legacy from a by gone age but the dinosaurs couldnt adapt and hence... but I guess when you are talking about an asteroid hitting the world back into the ice age we can use this as a metaphor for the recession.

Lets hope we dont have to wait as long for the big thaw....Ooh some hundreds of thousands of years

As long as blood courses through the veins of men they will want porn therefore you have to find new and interesting ways to monetise your content.

Seems the tube sites have set a precedent of giving it away for free and making money from ads.

It seems that TV may be adopting this model as well and if all the big guns go this way, it could squeeze the little guy out.

Top that off with pressures from the government and legislation it seems fair to say that piracy is the least of our problems

Content can be removed from tube sites relatively easy

Sorry to sound boring Dave but if you owned a shed load of content you could ve rinsed it silly during the gold rush period of the internet.

At least you have a roof over your head as a result of your labour. There are many girls who cant say that

Surely you thought back then that all that would have come to an end or did you not think past the huge pay cheques thinking it would last forever?

If you had your own content established from way back when you would be at an advantage now. Thats a fact.

The revenue would have taken a dip like everyone else but the money would still be coming in to make it worthwhile.

The problem with this business is that many of those think the business model they started off with years ago would last forever and dont pay any attention to what is going on out there and find the easiest thing to blame is what they can understand

Piracy

Youre too angry at the porn industry Dave that maybe its time to just knock it on the head before you end up hating the world.

You shouldnt think the porn industry owes you . No matter how great you see yourself for past efforts. The world is notoriously fickle and we are all expendable

one eyed jack wrote:

> Seems the tube sites have set a precedent of giving it away...

Wouldn't a more accurate description be 'stealing'?

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