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So that says fraud is virtually non existent, if you're talking outright benefit fraud and not tax fiddles.

"Department of Work and Pensions estimates benefit fraud costs ?1bn a year"

"it?s worth pointing out that it?s just 0.7 per cent of total spending"

"The taxman reckons fraudulent claims for child and working tax credits cost the public purse ?460m in 2008-9." - In other words, the people who work and screw the system rather than the unemployed who are so reviled on here.

"Errors, not fraud, account for the remainder of the ?5.2bn."

Proves my point that fraud is nowhere near as widespread as some headbangers would have you believe

I think you are wrong.
Nigel Farage is the one to harrass the present set up and if he makes enough noise and makes waves then I think that his party will gain enough seats to force a referendum. Not in this parliament perhaps, but it will come.

While i think stopping payments outright is a stupid idea,because it doesnt
really improve the situation ie getting them into paid work,you have to draw a line in the sand where people know enough is enough


Personally i think they'd be better taking the 5% in every country who for the most part are hard to place in employment for a variety of reasons and simply putting them to work in their local communities for a couple of days a week
in return for that whopping sum of 65 pounds a week

The fact you now have entire districts/suburbs/borroughs where the majority are on welfare is not healthy but cutting that lifeline off doesnt alter the fact that their still not productive members of society

Make the unmotivated desperate and watch the crime rate rise

If a party that the Establishment dont like get too big then the Government of the day will simply try and close them done. Look at the BNP, sucessive Governments could have gone after them any time between when they started (which according to Newsnight was 1982) and 2009, when they suddenly got 1m votes and 2 seats in the European parliament. Nothing was done for 27 years, and we are supposed to believe that it was just co-incidence that the Government of the day unleashed the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) on them in 2009, the very year they became big.

Trust me if Farage's lot, UKIP, become too popular they willl be more or less forced out of business. Besides, Referendums don't mean anything because the goalposts are moved some time after. Look at what people signed up for in the 1970's when Heath proposed taking us into Europe, and look what we've ended up with. The fat gay bastard said it would be little more than trading partners, instead we have ended up handing many of our decision making powers to them, we've lost control of our borders, and we have a criminals charter - the Human Rights Act.