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Alice In Blunderland wrote:

There are far too many spokemen on all issues today- self appointed black speakers like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Darcus Howe etc are actually racist themselves & far from wanting an equal society actually want it so that any non black is a second class citizen, they also are race baiters- Sharpton is the worst example of this .....

Hmm you make a good point Al but allow me to retort.

This is very true from your perspective. I see it this way. Anyone striving to bring about change is going to go the whole hog and demand more than they can get when if they are given some respite only half the way would be half the way better off than nothing.

I think if the white male feels he is under pressure from al these other factions then it only stand to reason he has been seen as the oppressor of those factions through legistation and government. It makes sense therefore that, if you equate the white general population with its white dominated government that white people will feel as a collective that they are being over run in their own country when in fact this is the result of the proverbial "Roosters coming home to roost" that Malcolm X spoke about.

Does anyone understand what that actually meant? To me it meant, if people have hate in their heart so much, it always means one of their own will suffer for it too.

You reap what you sow.

Malcolm was a direct and uncompromising speaker that all whites took offence too. How dare a black man stand up and speak and represent the interests of his people. I dont think he was unreasonable. In fact. look where we are today. A lot better than back then. Thats for sure. Would you prefer it back then? When it was worse? the problems from back then have evolved into new problems and colour is not really the core to it all. I believe it is drugs and alcohol.

According to Al Sharpton, America should give blacks Atlanta as their own city to live in. He expects everyone blck to move there. To me a lot of his thoughts are reverse racism. the only thing that will heal america is integration. changing peoples thoughts is the hardest thing to do.

I dont even see Al Sharpton in the same vein as Luther and King.

Well said but also they don't speak for all black people !

And as for the mugging slant thats may be true but i have only been mugged by white Britons.

But i wouldnt label all white people as muggers,as i dont label footie fans as hooligans after bieng battered silly by a few minority....

Alice you are only half right. My perception of Malcolm X is from his biography written by Alex Hailey and it was after his pilgrimage to Mecca when he saw with his own eyes, muslims of all colours (yes there are white muslims too it seems) that he adopted a more humanitarian approach towards whites on his return to America and also expressing a regret to the white woman that wanted to help bridge the gap by saying: How can you possibly help? You are white!

Do you think that all racists were born hating their opposites?

Malcolms history of racism like Hitlers descent into hating jews was a gradual thing from their own personal experiences.

Malcolms father was a preacher who was lynched by racists. His very own teacher, a white man told him that black people will never be doctors and lawyers and that he should consider being something worthwhile like a janitor or waiter.

I myself heard racist shit from a teacher mixed raced kids couldnt produce children...that was a bizarre one.

The problem with some white folk when it comes down to things like this is they cannot identify with the black experience and trivialise it when they see only what they want to see.

That black folks who do bad were bad because they are black.

Put a white man in the same situation and I reckon you will see the exact same results.

I was inspired by Malcolm X biogrpahy because I saw a man who started out as a thug and petty thief find redemption through a belief in something and then betrayed by those who he regarded as his saviours to end up dead at the hands of his own kind. Black folk.

That told me all I needed to know about people. Thats the key word. People. Its not even about race as your own kind could turn on you quick fast and dont owe any loyalty to you because of colour.

Racism is hatred and hatred is an indivisible emotion. The sooner people stop wasting their time with colour issues can we deal with the social ills in a proper and more effective way.

Well said Terry.

Hate always stems from anger, which is a natural, emotional responce stemming from fear. As humans, don't we all feel these emotions at different times in our life?

It's how you deal with these emotions that make us who we are.

How can we hate something we do not fear?