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Racism or not, to me this spells out the reality of violence - and this kind of violence is a threat to everyone. Sometimes it's provoked, sometimes it isn't.. sometimes the media swoop on a violent tale, sometime they don't. Racism is a stick the politically correct use to beat people over the head - is a racist unprovoked brutal attack worse than a non-racist unprovoked attack? I think not...
Here in Hull a few months ago an apparantly very violent man met with a very violent death when a few blokes met him outside a pub on a sunday night, sprayed him with pepper spray, chased him a few yards down the street and then beat him to death with hammers, so frenzied was the attack that the man was unregonizable, every single bone in his head was mashed... If the man had been the same but black this undoubtedly would been made out to be a racist attack and pounced on by the national media.
My point is it's not racism that's the problem, it's violence in society that's the issue.... Because of the problems caused by people grumbling about muslim fundamentalists and immigration, playing the "look how bad racism is getting" card everytime something happens is attempting to play down any such grumbles.... An attack on a black person by a white will always be a racist attack regardless of the circumstances.
It doesn't make it right though, but you don't have to be part of an ethnic minority to live in fear of violence.

The difference is that the colour of the Liverpool victim was the catalyst for the attack.

On Friday night, a white guy was stabbed several times on a London bus after remonstrating with a black bloke who was throwing food at other passengers. This wasn't a race crime because anyone could have confronted the nutter carrying the knife, and paid the price. Anthony Walker tried to avoid a confrontation---and they still came at him and left an axe in his skull.

All crimes of violence are hateful---I know what you're saying. But sometimes the reasons for them are hard to take as well.

I don't buy this.

If, when the brute is arrested, it turns out that he had said to someone earlier 'I'm gonna kill me a n***** tonight" or whatever, then yes - it was a racist attack.

If, on the other hand, it turns out that he merely hurled 'racist' epithets at the poor lad prior to murdering him, then it no more suggests a 'racist attack' than "take that, fatso!" or "eat steel, ginger!" are indicative of a desire to rid the world of lard-arses or carrot-tops.

You see, we always voice a description of our victim prior to walloping him; it is the way of things.

Think back to the last person you punched; did you not call him a 'fucking cunt!' (for 'tis the most common) immediately prior to delivering the empunchment?.

There's also a big difference between a dispute blowing up between two people, the name calling and the subsequent fight - which may not be racist, AND someone standing peacefully at a bus stop and having a torrent of abuse directed his way just because he was black, then attacked while trying to peacefully leave the scene. This attack was definitely racially motivated.

Thank you ever so much.

However I remain unconvinced.

Let us see if the full facts of the case will be made public.

If a black man murders a white man, or an asian, or a chinese gentleman is that a racist killing? Sorry but I am sick to the back fucking teeth of do gooders, moralists and especailly the CORE. Apologies to the boys parents but to bring race into every crime is an insult to black and asian people.

Heathray, my favourite poster wrote:

If a black man murders a white man, or an asian, or a chinese gentleman is that a racist killing?

Yes. if the killing was on the pretext of his colour, race or creed. Not if it was for supporting the wrong football team or for wearing flares. Racism isn't just black on white or vice versa, it is what it is.

To add; I feel its everyones right to not like who they see fit. Its just wrong when you cross the boundaries into violence to enforce their will when it becomes wrong.

You might have to wait a while for mart's reply as I think Monday nights is basket weaving for lesbians at the "Bobby Sands Community Centre" so he's probably busy with other beret wearers.

Ah leave him alone rudey, you would'nt like it if it was done to EWE