Whatever Happened To British Porn?...

[Phil Phee]

Absolutely concur!

[jimslip]

If you don't mind me saying, Ratters, I think you have a rather, charming olde worldly view of girls! I bet there are loads of escorts who having shagged a dozen guys and NOT necessarily in a "Seedy hotel", but a luxury hotel and later counting a big pile of wonga, don't have any problem at all. "sleeping easy."

I can't agree that they prefer to march off with their knapsack on their back and travel 200 miles up North (Or down South) hang around all day on a set and eventually get banged by a "Pro or 2 or 3", getting back on the train for another 4 hours and eventually getting home at 1.00am having earned the same money as she would have done as an escort by 11am that day !

Actually if your assertion were correct we wouldn't have a girl shortage in porn. I'd say for every active girl who does hardcore in porn these days, there are 50 girls doing escorting.

Daves pal who throws money at some girls isn't the norm and he certainly doesn't throw it in the direction of ANY girl. They have to fit into his own, "Fantasy type" profile to get big money.

[Ratters Pank]

jimslip wrote:

> If you don't mind me saying, Ratters, I think you have a
> rather, charming olde worldly view of girls! I bet there are
> loads of escorts who having shagged a dozen guys and NOT
> necessarily in a "Seedy hotel", but a luxury hotel and later
> counting a big pile of wonga, don't have any problem at all.
> "sleeping easy."
>
> I can't agree that they prefer to march off with their knapsack
> on their back and travel 200 miles up North (Or down South)
> hang around all day on a set and eventually get banged by a
> "Pro or 2 or 3", getting back on the train for another 4 hours
> and eventually getting home at 1.00am having earned the same
> money as she would have done as an escort by 11am that day !
>
> Actually if your assertion were correct we wouldn't have a girl
> shortage in porn. I'd say for every active girl who does
> hardcore in porn these days, there are 50 girls doing
> escorting.
>
> Daves pal who throws money at some girls isn't the norm and he
> certainly doesn't throw it in the direction of ANY girl. They
> have to fit into his own, "Fantasy type" profile to get big
> money.
>
>
Well, probably. !laugh!

I see what you are saying and it probably all comes down to the individual's personality. If they are mainly money motivated (and a lot of people are), then maybe they can easily forgive themselves (if that is the right expression) for sleeping with a random stranger in a hotel room (seedy or otherwise) just a few minutes from them, as opposed to hauling their arses to the other end of the country to shoot a scene for a film. I was trying to put myself in the shoes of a young girl considering doing porn but you can't always second guess people.

[one eyed jack]

As a man, never try to put yourself in the shoes of a girl to try and understand them.

Ive come to the conclusion that men are not supposed to try and figure women out. Thats just the way it is.

Those who really understand women end up gay or in the loony bin in strait jackets muttering stuff to themselves.

I understand where youarecoming from but have to side with Jim that many men like yourselves doput a romantic slant on it where the profession of porn is concerned.

A lot of the girls in this business are very real and very aware of what they are doing.

[frankthring]

I have kept out of this debate up to now but will just say that I largely
agree with Jim Slip on his views on girls. Here in Hungary where I am
based most girls seem now to be doing escort abroad, often in a place
called "London". Fifty per cent of the best girls here are Romanian eg
Black Angelika, Jasmine Black, Donna Bell etc and they all make their
biggest bucks from escorting !!! If I try to book 5 girls a week at least
2 will be away escorting ! I must also agree with Dave Wells on his
views on Brit porn. I was happy when the UK got less tight-laced a decade
back but have always considered the quality generally to be awful and it
is the home of the "amateur" in all respects of the word. There is a big
market for that, and reality sex of all kinds, but I find it an extreme
eyesore. Watch "St Trinibums" to see 90 mins of utter crap !!

[one eyed jack]

The what is crap porn is a moot point now that amateurs have become legion and levelled the playing field.

This was inevitable.

This is not an age about quality Frank. Its about who is making money andgenerating attention by way of traffic. There are so many examples of this opinion in and out of porn and the mainstream media right now.

X Factor? Music? Movies? Porn? Actors? Models? Take your pick?

[jimslip]

Frank:

"Watch "St Trinibums" to see 90 mins of utter crap !!"

I think it's a little unfair to condemn the whole UK porn industry on the basis of your own particular tastes and "St Trinibums!"

As you know we have crossed swords on many occasions on this topic and I still remember you having to be restrained by your orderlies and then sedated, when I suggested that just because Europorn has blokes in bandanas and shades, birds with fake tits, who shout alot and pretend to cum and villas with swimming pools doesn't make it, "Good!".............GIRLFRIEND!!wink!


Fans of so called, "Fantasy/ glossy" porn think that all you have to do to make "Reality" is to wobble the camera around, as if you've got Parkinsons, grunt, groan and pant like a Labrador on heat and say "Phwooar, git 'em orff darlin'!" alot! To be honest there's alot of that about too, but artistically it doesn't mean it's bad or any worse than chintzy Europorn and so called "High production" porn.

I'd say if you were to compare the 2 genres, ie "Europorn and Brit Porn" in terms of works of art, I'd say Europorn was this:

[img]http://www.gordon-stewart.co.uk/cats/pa ... ittens.jpg[/img]

and Brit Reality Porn was this:

[img]http://mocoloco.com/art/upload/2008/08/ ... banksy.jpg[/img]

As someone who actually knows how to make glossy porn as well as reality porn, I'd say reality is far more of a challenge. With gloss, everything is preplanned, scripted,dressed, plotted, lit and to be honest that's why 90% of it is so dull! In good reality porn, the whole remit rests with the cast, so you don't actually know what's going to happen.

Personally, I think this debate on what's good and bad is like "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic." The consumer is fast fragmenting into ther own niches and no longer are willing to sit and watch a DVD with a bunch of people having sex and be happy with that. They are making their own fun with webcam, parties, swinging, escorts and so on and who can blame them?

I expect not long from now, Frank, the pair of us will be huddled under Waterloo Bridge, warming our hands by an oil drum fire, coats tied with string, swearing and cursing eachother as we clutch our bottles of meths, still shouting, "Ya FUKIN' cunt Slip, yoo FUKIN' KNOW NOWT 'BOUT fantasy fuuuuuKIN porn, " Piss off THRING , my REALITEE pisses ALL OVA yor fucking stuff ya CUNT pass us a BEVY ya bastard!"

Could this be us in the near future Frank?
[img]http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/H ... drunks.jpg[/img]

[one eyed jack]

Ha ha!...What you said Jim.

Pass the fackin brew you caaahnt! Its colder than a bitch out here!

Good porn? Bad porn? Shitman, its all porn. Just depends what the man paying wants for his jollies at that exact moment.

We've all been around for years so that must mean something. A lot of people in the past year or two havent made it and who are we to say they are all in the "bad" porn bracket?

[frankthring]

You are entitled to your opinion Jimbo. I did state - very fairly I think -
that if you like reality sex of the "bitch in a binbag" variety then UK
porn is great, it is off-centre, eccentric and very very turned in on
itself. If you like stuff really to look amateur then the bulk (not all) of
it is also no doubt splendid. But, as a fellow Brit, who has worked
his time in the sweaty mills of Brit Porn far more than me - Mr Dave
Wells - said quite succinctly, the vast bulk is "utter crap" ! I stand by
him on this ! If you would like a contest, then just on the girls aspect
alone I suggest you shoot only UK girls in the UK for Jim Slip the next
12 months. Lets examine the quality together at the end of it ! If you
want to talk production quality and international appeal, lets take
10 UK websites at random and compare them with 10 US ones !......
I admire your defence of the British Industry. It does you proud my
spectacle wearing bulldog. Maybe they can give you a prize for it next
year alongside "best loved pornographer". But - overall and allowing
for eccentric insularity - the British Industry remains a strange fish indeed.
And - as I said - just bloody look at "St Trinibums" and tell me thats its
good !!! It has NOTHING to do with my tastes. Shite can be called
any damn thing you like but it remains shite - and a good producer like
you would be wiser to disassociate yourself from such crap !

[one eyed jack]

the British Industry remains a strange fish indeed

Therein is its appeal.