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Re: HIV spread and the brutalising of women.
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:14 pm
by duff paddy
Is the US brutal porn that's evident possibly related to the fact that the "manhood" of the average US male poulation is under threat from a plethora of other sources?
A confused, cornered and not particulaly clever beast, could this breed feel it has little other choice than to subjugate other races, countries and sexes in an attempt to feel like a "real man" again, having been rendered largely impotent in every other facet of their lives?
Re: HIV spread and the brutalising of women.
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:58 pm
by joe king
'What we really need to challenge is the notion that participating in sex whether through viewing or physical engagement has to involve degrading and humiliating people'
How do you 'challenge' it?
What's wrong with the 'middle ages' anyway? What sort of censorship did they have?
Re: HIV spread and the brutalising of women.
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:27 pm
by Pianaman
Well unless you think all sex is degrading and humiliating (which as I say is where the extreme producers and bigots seem to be united) I suggest making porn that reflects real sex more fully - not just a very narrow and dehumanised view of it. Lets just stop trying to pretend that to produce films that, for example (from one I've seen captures from recently) has attractive women putting on pig masks and being treated like pigs while being fucked, is in any way pushing forward the frontiers of human progress. That is a joke.
Re: HIV spread and the brutalising of women.
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:31 pm
by joe king
is that your view or everybodies view?
Re: HIV spread and the brutalising of women.
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 5:58 pm
by Mojo
Yawn!!! My answer is, if you don't like it, don't watch it! Besides, I've just been watching an AC-130 Spectre gunship tearing the hell out of an Iraqi city and people (both civ and trooper) dropping like flies in Iraq.
Question: What's worse, a brutal bloody war for some oil wells, or a little blonde taking a couple of dicks up her arse? I know what I'd rather see. Get your priorities in check, guys. I'd rather have some little chick get DP'd, than see thounds of people get blown away!
Re: HIV spread and the brutalising of women.
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:06 pm
by Pianaman
Sure - I agree - I'm against the war too and don't just sit on my ass but do what I can about it practically too. So does that mean I can't also spend a couple of minutes here and there speaking my mind on what else is going on in this world? It does matter that people are dying of AIDs and it does matter when people are treated like shit wherever they are.
Re: HIV spread and the brutalising of women.
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:23 pm
by seymourpussy
So David....you shagging young girls up the arse is OK then...if thats not brutalising women then what is...the vast majority of women will only take it up the arse for payment ...not enjoyment!!!
Re: HIV spread and the brutalising of women.
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:42 pm
by Pianaman
Oh I wouldn't say that. I know quite a few women that enjoy anal (and some that don't but haven't tried it). After all most gay men enjoy it so there must be something in it eh?
It's not specific acts that are the issue to me, otherwise we could be straying dangerously into "censorship" territory. I like lots of things that might be classed as "extreme" myself. But within the context of an equal and consensual relationship. Anal sex, like any sex, can be performed as an act of love or lust between equals, or as an act of brutality, aggression and domination. It ain't what you do it's the way that you do it - that's what counts.
Re: HIV spread and the brutalising of women.
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:10 pm
by seymourpussy
Don't get me wrong I enjoy anal sex, my point is that girls who do it on cam mainly do it for money not as an extension of lovemaking, what i don't agree with is someone a whisper away from doing what somebody else does and then criticising them!!...what has amazed me about this business is that for a grand you can get a girl to do whatever you want....there are a lot of people out there exploiting this....I don't think that's right...do you?
Re: HIV spread and the brutalising of women.
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 9:14 pm
by crofter
This seems to me that the HIV outbreak in the states (which hopefully will only effect a few performers) makes it open season to criticise certain American agencies, performers, directors all of whom I would say make ?Gonzo? films, I would say that the anal, d/ps etc go with this genre unfortunately, but let?s say somebody like Ben Dover who is our standard bearer and has been for many years bases his films largely on anal sex, and the latest look at the new Relish release with all talk of anal, d/p etc does not really make it clear to me what the main point of this is, if you have something to say about the state of American Gonzo porn please don?t dress it up under the heading of HIV and brutalising of performers.
Of course European porn is so much better, if you can stear clear of the fisting and pissing.