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Now that it has been a while since the multiple round of letters have gone out on behalf of Ben Dover Productions, I am intrigued (Naturally) with the consequences of this.

First of all, such an important letter is sent second class post. This has been done knowing that their claim goes back practically TWO years. That is a scam.

Second class post is not recorded. People move house and may not receive the letter. No response gives GEIL the chance to regard this as a possible default judgement, so will be processed as this. That is a scam.

What about people who do receive the letter? And their response? And GEILs response? Let me hypothesise:

Alleged Infringer: I am very sorry. I did download the ?Works? and I have deleted the file.
GEIL response: Although you have deleted the file, you have shared the file to other downloaders and we want ?700.00.

Alleged infringer: My twelve year old son downloaded the file without our knowledge, and I forced him to delete the file.
GEIL response: Although your son downloaded the file and you have deleted the file, you have shared the file to other downloaders and we want ?700.00.

Alleged infringer: After an exhaustive amount of research, it transpired that a friend of ours came to our house and asked to connect his laptop to our wifi. We allowed this, and he admits that he was part way through a download of the ?Works?.
GEIL response: Although you didn?t download the ?Works?, your connection was used to infringe the ?Works?, this action shared the file to other downloaders and we want ?700.00.

Alleged infringer: I cannot help you with information regarding your claim, but we have an open wifi so friends who visit our home can take advantage of our internet connection.
GEIL response: Allowing an open wifi is authorising the infringement of our ?Works? and it is up to you as the subscriber to secure your wifi. This has led to other downloaders of our ?Works? and we want ?700.00.

Alleged infringer: I downloaded your ?Works? and played the video. I immediately saw the ?Copyright Notice? and realised I downloaded copyright material. This was the first time I knew that the ?Works? was copyrighted. I immediately deleted the video.
GEIL response: Although you downloaded the ?Works? and realised it was copyrighted, you shared the file to other downloaders and we want ?700.00.

Alleged infringer: I am 80 years old and have a computer that my great-grandson uses when he visits. I have no idea what your claim is and I have asked my great-grandson about this and he says it is a scam.
GEIL response: It is very probable that your great-grandson downloaded the ?Works? and you are responsible for his actions. Your great-grandsons actions have shared the ?Works? to other downloaders and we want ?700.00.

Alleged infringer: No one downloaded the ?Works? in our household, and I have checked our computers for this. None of our computers have any evidence that the ?Works? have been downloaded.
GEIL response: Unfortunately, you have not provided enough information to our claim, and we have forensic evidence that an infringement took place. That infringement meant that you shared the ?Works? to other downloaders and we want ?700.00.

Alleged infringer: No response.
GEIL response: Take to Court for a default judgement.


I could describe many more scenarios and possible responses.

That is why I say what proof. What proof does GEIL have to accuse people?

If people own up then fine. ?A fair cop guv?. That is what you call getting recompense for an infringement. That is what makes the claim VALID.

But there are scenarios where it isn?t ?A fair cop guv?. What then?

That is the MAJOR problem with GEILs proof. That is why it is a scam.

Before anyone jumps to a response to my previous post, EVERYONE of those scenarios I give DOES NOT prove that GEIL are right in their assertions that anything was shared to anyone. GEIL have NO proof of that. Their claim can only be the price of the "Works". For example ?30.00 max.

SCAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But there are scenarios where it isn?t ?A fair cop guv?. What then?

Thats a very good question. Got any real world examples we can demonstrate with?

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But there are scenarios where it isn?t ?A fair cop guv?. What then?

Thats a very good question. Got any real world examples we can demonstrate with?
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Sorry to repeat myself:

Alleged infringer: No one downloaded the ?Works? in our household, and I have checked our computers for this. None of our computers have any evidence that the ?Works? have been downloaded.
GEIL response: Unfortunately, you have not provided enough information to our claim, and we have forensic evidence that an infringement took place. That infringement meant that you shared the ?Works? to other downloaders and we want ?700.00.

Alleged infringer: No response.
GEIL response: Take to Court for a default judgement.

Even with the ones who admit the infringement, GEIL ONLY have the EVIDENCE of a download, absolutely no EVIDENCE of an upload to anyone. Their claims are groundless. Just a theory.

Your claims of piracy and GEILs claim are incompatible. Let us see how many offers of ?30.00 settlement GEIL accept when confornted with a Solicitors response.

History will repeat itself.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201302 ... um=twitter

Quote from Judge: "just because an IP address is registered to an individual does not mean that he or she is guilty of infringement when that IP address is used to commit infringing activity"

Quote: "seemed to involve nothing more than "blindly picking a male resident from the subscriber's home."

This is the US, but at least they have Court cases.

That is what WE want. Defend your copyright and fight piracy by taking a CONTENDED case to Court. It won't happen because GEIL will lose. Just like in the US.

It's a SCAM!!!!!!!

I think we've about exhausted this topic. My people will deal with your people and ne'er the twain shall meet.

If it doesnt work out then it doesnt work out. All the best guys. I'm sure under different circumstances we can have a drink, rib each other and have a laugh...Just not on this topic Im guessing !happy!

Thanks Terry, sincerely.

I do wish you the best of luck with finding a method to succeed with your ventures, and be rewarded for hard work. I hope it won't be with your current venture for reasons that I have given, but maybe you will find a true calling that will have the desired affect with more acceptable actions.

If we ever meet, the first beer is on you! !happy!

Assuming I am successful with this of course.

If not the first round will have to be on you !happy!

I'll start saving up! !drink!

Maybe I could change the nature of this thread.

Despite the initial question of Copyright owners actions, the fact is there are people who have been accused by GEIL and may be troubled or frightened by their claim.

My personal belief is that GEILs claim is flawed. Flawed in monitoring and claim.

I feel I have provided enough evidence to prove these flaws, but the fact of the matter is that people have received their letters.

Anyone who wishes to register a new login here, that could not possibly be linked to you personally in any way, can ask a question about your letter. Yes the accusers are watching, but saying what you want to say anonymously will give them something to look at and think about.

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