I can't imagine holly to be the type of girl to cancel on purpose and mess people about. The attached emails confused me so I couldn't read them all but what was she meant to do 'kids you sit there quietly whilst I dress up and kick this guy in the nuts'
you bang on about her attitude being bad but from what I've read your shit stinks aswell.
HOLLY KISS, DO NOT HIRE
Re: HOLLY KISS, DO NOT HIRE
His attitude is justifiable for someone who lost money and then have someone proceed about it the way they did. Just look at how you responded to him and you weren't even the one who lost money and had the person stick the middle finger up at you.
Now just imagine how YOU would react if they did that to you. Food for thought; get a buffet plate.
Now just imagine how YOU would react if they did that to you. Food for thought; get a buffet plate.
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Re: HOLLY KISS, DO NOT HIRE
Ive had it happen to me, it's something that comes with the territory. I've had girls make me look stupid after recommending them and then they no show for other shoots.
It's what happens in this industry, get over it.
Holly is probably one of the busiest and reliable models around so perhaps a little research could have been done to suggest it's a one off before flaming her on here.
Would it be acceptable for holly to start boycotting all his threads and advertisments because he spoke to her like shite.
We cannot always determine what will happen in our day to day life and aslong as the models tells you at the first opportunity I don't see a problem.
I do see a problem with girls no showing or calling it off because they've had a better offer escorting or are hungover but that's clearly not what has happened.
It's what happens in this industry, get over it.
Holly is probably one of the busiest and reliable models around so perhaps a little research could have been done to suggest it's a one off before flaming her on here.
Would it be acceptable for holly to start boycotting all his threads and advertisments because he spoke to her like shite.
We cannot always determine what will happen in our day to day life and aslong as the models tells you at the first opportunity I don't see a problem.
I do see a problem with girls no showing or calling it off because they've had a better offer escorting or are hungover but that's clearly not what has happened.
Re: HOLLY KISS, DO NOT HIRE
oli_cortez wrote:
but what was she meant to do
Pay him the money he lost? Or at the very least work off the debt if that's acceptable to him.
but what was she meant to do
Pay him the money he lost? Or at the very least work off the debt if that's acceptable to him.
We have need of you again, great king.
Re: HOLLY KISS, DO NOT HIRE
When I first came into the porn industry 12 yrs ago my kids were all young, but I did not do shoots from home, and after doing my 1st 2 porn video's I decided not to do anymore adult work until my kids were grown up.
I know for a lot of models doing shoots from home is convienient and also for a tog as well as saves cost of studio etc. I have done several shoots at my home but I do not have any of my kids living with me anymore. I just have the prob of mother in law calling in unexpectedly lol (been couple close calls lol) But am now looking for studio close ish to home I can do shoots from so that should prevent any embarrasment there. My son visits on occasions and I just make sure I don't book any work when I know he will be here.
It is personal choice as to wether you shoot in your home or not, but it seems Holly had made the plans for her kids not to be there and was then let down. Ok so maybe she could have explained it better than has been shown.
I think most of us have been let down at some point in the industry, I like to give people a 2nd chance but fail on 2nd chance and you will never get the chance again. This has happened to me with a few models and togs etc.
I send emails to togs n producers and quite often don't even get a polite "Thanks but no thanks" I just get ignored, but I know they are possibly busy or not interested in which case I think "Oh well they know where I am if they want me" and I leave it at that.
You live n learn as you go through life and like my other half says
"He who never made a fuck up, never made fuck all".
Right am off to sit in garden for a while as all my housework is done, suitcase packed for shoot tomorrow and dinner is planned for tonight lol.
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Jo Juggs
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I know for a lot of models doing shoots from home is convienient and also for a tog as well as saves cost of studio etc. I have done several shoots at my home but I do not have any of my kids living with me anymore. I just have the prob of mother in law calling in unexpectedly lol (been couple close calls lol) But am now looking for studio close ish to home I can do shoots from so that should prevent any embarrasment there. My son visits on occasions and I just make sure I don't book any work when I know he will be here.
It is personal choice as to wether you shoot in your home or not, but it seems Holly had made the plans for her kids not to be there and was then let down. Ok so maybe she could have explained it better than has been shown.
I think most of us have been let down at some point in the industry, I like to give people a 2nd chance but fail on 2nd chance and you will never get the chance again. This has happened to me with a few models and togs etc.
I send emails to togs n producers and quite often don't even get a polite "Thanks but no thanks" I just get ignored, but I know they are possibly busy or not interested in which case I think "Oh well they know where I am if they want me" and I leave it at that.
You live n learn as you go through life and like my other half says
"He who never made a fuck up, never made fuck all".
Right am off to sit in garden for a while as all my housework is done, suitcase packed for shoot tomorrow and dinner is planned for tonight lol.
Love
Jo Juggs
X X X
I am no longer active in the adult industry, but loved every minute I was a part of it.
Re: HOLLY KISS, DO NOT HIRE
The point that she offered no sincere apology seems to have gone unnoticed by you. I think if you read and understood (you admitted to not being able to) you'd see he initially understood her cancellation (and moved on) until she applied again and neglected (according to him) to apologise for the previous mishap. In fact, she initially denied being the person in question. Very honest, wouldn't you say?
So, just so you understand the underlying point he is making, it isn't the fact she cancelled which would have happened if she broke her leg or some other occuring misfortune, it is the fact she didn't two shytes. That and the fact she lied until he caught her out. I didn't want to say with her pants down...
One this is for sure, if I cancelled on someone, I'd know who they are if I were to try and apply for another gig they were offering. I also certainly wouldn't LIE and do like Shaggy: "It wasn't me"
I personally do not care how busy and popular a model is. If she acts unprofessional towards me - unprovoked - then her track record doesn't count for shyte.
She is free to boycott his threads and money, and he is free to find another model that won't 'give him the finger' after he lost money on them. He is also free to vent his frustration. Perhaps this isn't the forum, but you seem to give them impression that him expressing frustration and disappointment is silly. It isn't. May I once again proffer the fact she initially denied being the person who cancelled on him.
So, just so you understand the underlying point he is making, it isn't the fact she cancelled which would have happened if she broke her leg or some other occuring misfortune, it is the fact she didn't two shytes. That and the fact she lied until he caught her out. I didn't want to say with her pants down...
One this is for sure, if I cancelled on someone, I'd know who they are if I were to try and apply for another gig they were offering. I also certainly wouldn't LIE and do like Shaggy: "It wasn't me"
I personally do not care how busy and popular a model is. If she acts unprofessional towards me - unprovoked - then her track record doesn't count for shyte.
She is free to boycott his threads and money, and he is free to find another model that won't 'give him the finger' after he lost money on them. He is also free to vent his frustration. Perhaps this isn't the forum, but you seem to give them impression that him expressing frustration and disappointment is silly. It isn't. May I once again proffer the fact she initially denied being the person who cancelled on him.
Re: HOLLY KISS, DO NOT HIRE
If your circumstances allows for it, there isn't anything wrong with shooting in your home. Just keep the kids far far far away from it all. Not even in the vicinity. That's all I'm saying. But that's for a whole different topic; not this one. So again, nothing wrong with shooting in your own home. Lots of things that nothing is wrong with. Just a matter of personal preference.
Re: HOLLY KISS, DO NOT HIRE
I have four kids, all under 7, and I have been unable to take as much work as I originally intended to when getting into the business, because a whole slew of people who promised to look after the kids for me here and there are always unavailable when I need them.
When you have one kid, getting them to stay over with a friend might be simple enough....but when you have upwards of two sorting out care for them is a logistical nightmare, that goes up exponentially with each child, and adds a huge amount of work at the models end to make sure they, the most precious things in her life, are safe and well cared for.
Also, three children in this financial climate is a recipe for sleepless nights as it is.
If you want to cover yourself, make models sign a contract with a cancellation fee, payable if they cancel inside an agreed period.
Personally, I would never take that contract on because I know babysitters etc can pull out last minute.....kids come first and I'd sooner lose work than worry about them.
When you have one kid, getting them to stay over with a friend might be simple enough....but when you have upwards of two sorting out care for them is a logistical nightmare, that goes up exponentially with each child, and adds a huge amount of work at the models end to make sure they, the most precious things in her life, are safe and well cared for.
Also, three children in this financial climate is a recipe for sleepless nights as it is.
If you want to cover yourself, make models sign a contract with a cancellation fee, payable if they cancel inside an agreed period.
Personally, I would never take that contract on because I know babysitters etc can pull out last minute.....kids come first and I'd sooner lose work than worry about them.
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Re: HOLLY KISS, DO NOT HIRE
It's alarming to see so many people miss the underlying point and use children as a crutch. Many of us have kids. In any event...
The run down.
1 )Model cancelled.
2) Tog said 'ok', no worries. I lost money but hey that's life. Move on time.
3) Model re-applies to shoot with tog again (unknowingly?)
4) Tog says you cancelled on he already and didn't offer an apology
5) Model says 'No I didn't. You got the wrong girl'
6) Tog proves to model she was indeed the one to cancel
7) Model offers no apology and they stops short of saying 'so what'.
The reason for cancelling in the first place (the kids) is immaterial to points 5 and 7 which only serve to highlight the model's line of thinking.
The tog only started this thread because of what happened between points 4 and 7, not point 1 and it's reasons, so there is no need to beat the child situation to death. That point is moot and not really relevant to why he is upset. It's the lies and lack of remorse.
Even if something isn't entirely your fault, on a professional level, the least yo could do is offer some sort of apology and or at least not blow the other person off.
The lies/denial/trickery...that's another matter. I mean, if letting someone down was a one off (the 3hrs before a shoot), surely a model would remember that one time. Yet Holly tried to deny it.
Call the tog what you want. I admit he is overzealous in his *Do not hire* stance, but he has presented proof that Holly was being economical with the truth.
Well, unless he edited the emails for his post.
The run down.
1 )Model cancelled.
2) Tog said 'ok', no worries. I lost money but hey that's life. Move on time.
3) Model re-applies to shoot with tog again (unknowingly?)
4) Tog says you cancelled on he already and didn't offer an apology
5) Model says 'No I didn't. You got the wrong girl'
6) Tog proves to model she was indeed the one to cancel
7) Model offers no apology and they stops short of saying 'so what'.
The reason for cancelling in the first place (the kids) is immaterial to points 5 and 7 which only serve to highlight the model's line of thinking.
The tog only started this thread because of what happened between points 4 and 7, not point 1 and it's reasons, so there is no need to beat the child situation to death. That point is moot and not really relevant to why he is upset. It's the lies and lack of remorse.
Even if something isn't entirely your fault, on a professional level, the least yo could do is offer some sort of apology and or at least not blow the other person off.
The lies/denial/trickery...that's another matter. I mean, if letting someone down was a one off (the 3hrs before a shoot), surely a model would remember that one time. Yet Holly tried to deny it.
Call the tog what you want. I admit he is overzealous in his *Do not hire* stance, but he has presented proof that Holly was being economical with the truth.
Well, unless he edited the emails for his post.