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Ah Terry sorry If I'm going off topic here but can I ask what is the best way to verify referances?
I mean what I do is contact the referee directly & ask them to confirm that they provided the referance I've been shown & I contact sites as well sometimes but then some people get all pissy & abusive towards me if it gets back I've checked & it also relys on the models/sites replying to a newbie.

Sorry to hear that you had a bad one Now I have seen who it is not suprised from some correspondance I had with him at all I have placed a link on ukap to one of his sites

hiya all

its wrong with what people think they can get away with and makes a bad name for those producers that are cool to shoot with. at end of day someone says no its no regaurdless weather ur new or pro.
poeple make sure u do ur homework on people. its not much when ur safety cud b at risk.

peace n love people !cigar!

!love!

Matty P wrote:

Ah Terry sorry If I'm going off topic here but can I ask what is the best way to verify referances?


Thats easy. Ask the tog/producer who they have worked with and theres bound to be one or two who are established and contactable here or on UKAP or the myface sites.

Girls should be wary that some sneaky producers are sending references to girls that they have made up email addresses for.

Is it me or is this business becoming more and more dodgy with fake wannabe producers trying to get free shags?

Some producers are not well jknown doesnt mean they are dodgy either. These types of producers usually dont get involved with anything to do with the business but are decent minded and honourable and treat the girls well ie dont expect extras.

Most togs and producers can be verified. Even the newish ones. If they dont have a site or say that one is in development then they should be looked into all the more.

Anyone who is decent will find this acceptable if he respects models safety and if they are new but wont allow the girl to be accompanied by a friend then you shouild ask them why and if the answer is not satisfactory ask around more or refuse the job until they can get relaible references

Hi.
I'm John, and the alleged "Dodgy Tog in Bristol".

It's been brought to my attention that certain things have been said about me, and I feel it only fair that I have the right of reply. As if I don't put a stop to it now it will continue as gossip and Chinese whispers forever and a day.

I am not here to justify or give dignity to any comments or statements made with regards to me. Enter into any on line slanging match. Or get into some "he said", "she said" debate.

I could, if I chose, be equally if not more detrimental in my response. But see no valid justification in doing so, as it isn't my way: and unlike the 'model' I don't feel that it would be an appropriate use of this forum to effectively assassinate someone's character on a site where, had I not have been advised of this, it would have remained unchallenged.

Neither would it be appropriate to pass any precise comment on issues which, although historically personal to the complainant, would go a long way towards providing an explanation as to how there has been a process of transference to me.

The model/complainant raised issues with another website about me which, upon investigation, were found to be a minor "misunderstanding":in relation to the model/complainant "being made to sleep on a sofa",and I was reinstated immediately. After which I took time out to address issues with her through email. Which taking into consideration her other personal difficulties which were not in relation to me, I did so in a manner which I believe was polite, diplomatic and with tact.

However. Not content with this the model/complainant then took it upon herself to somewhat bizarrrely upscale her vitriol to me then "sucking her vibrator?" - and so it has progressed.

Now if there was an option to include music to the drama at this point, you'd be hearing the theme tune to the 'X Files', playing in the background.

Light hearted distraction aside. Those of us who have been around long enough will be all too familiar with the many stories that drift around this business from time to time. Generally speaking. I personally find it very sad that girls somehow feel the need to take the misguided approach in channeling their sometimes questionable talents towards promoting and ingratiating themselves, by bringing others into disrepute.

Of course what they don't realise is, that in doing so, they make themselves untrustworthy and unemployable by others who would consider engaging them. Because at the end of the day no one wants to risk employing someone who is liable to accept their hospitality and generosity and then stab them in the back afterwards.

In this business you don't bite the hand that feeds you if you want to progress up the ladder: and anyone who chooses to use this route will need to make full use of their fifteen minutes of fame while it lasts. As afterwards they'll be very quickly forgotten about and their career over before its off the ground.

In hindsight I should have taken more notice of the fact that this model/complainant was actually being quite negative about other photographers she had previously worked with. But as this was done in quite a disarming way it quite frankly slipped by me rather than ringing alarm bells in my head of maybe what was to come.

I'm sure it will spring into some readers minds that there's no smoke without fire: and indeed there is. When someone feels they have to use personal attack as the best form of defense; as the model/complainant has done against me it brings their integrity into question, and I would hope that anyone of reasonable intelligence could quite quickly read through the lines of what has been written about me and realise that it actually says more about the person who wrote it.

I'm the first to admit when I'm working it's at a high level of intensity because I throw every bit of energy I have at it into making it work, and become become very passionate about getting things right. Which people misinterpret as me being pushy, when in fact I'm not. Sometimes I may have a few very short bursts of appearing 'artistically difficult' , or as some have called it, "One of my Gordon Ramsay', moments. But I am a stickler for having everything done exactly how I want them at that time. Because in a split second it might be gone. Lost forever.

So when I receive so much positive feedback from people I work with it's a very sad day indeed when something not so favourable is written. So in complete contrast here is something from a new model called Aimie, which I believe says everything which needs to be said about me.

" i absolutely love all of my photo's ...you were so great to work with made me feel very comfortable and happy and helped me to adjust to a new surrounding completely .. xxx"

There are equally many more who would leap to my defense in an instant.

They say theres no smoke without fire and ,having had a house fire last year,thats was certainly true in my case. ....However,Perhaps some well known and respected models of long standing could post here and vouch for what you say? To be honest I dont know you at all , but personally,that would assure me much more than anything posted.... x

John no offence intended but you have simply provided a convoluted piece of prose that doesn't really make an effective challenge to what has been alledged.
Are you disputing the events that are said to have happened or not? It is something that isn't made clear. The issue is not necessarily whether you felt there was no wrong in what you may or may not of done but one that a model felt uncomfortable, to put it mildly, at what happened during a shoot.
Based on what was discussed here I felt ill at ease enough to cancel a shoot with another Bristol based photographer based on similarites I saw, as a male I did not want to work in a similar situation

At one point in your rebuttal it seems you're insulting peformers & that makes me doubt both the sincerity & validity of what you say. Models/performers safety & well being is of the upmost priority & it would be better if you provided a clear & more concise response if you're challenging or disputing the account(s) given.

a pretty long winded response lacking even a single rebuttal

hi peeps,
hope your all doing good and stuff seems i only get on here for a ruck these days still great place for it!!!rules!

wow, thats one long ass post that doesnt really explain anything...... other then you have a dictionery close to hand. as far as im aware!sherlock! and from emails kimmy showed me (such a sweet girl) it was tfp shoot,so surely that means both party's get the images.....ie t f p....time for prints.also kimmy might of emailed you asking you to sign the release and might not have been nasty about it but that kinda makes sense,.... why would she be a bitch to you (which would be justified in this case) if she wanted the images off you? she only asked nicely in the hope that you would give her what shes owed......thats not really a defence!disaster!

love n peace!cigar!

Interesting and thought provoking read....

John - it is reassuring to see you actually come on here and assert yourself in this manner and I am sure this situation can easily be cleared up....

I think any lingering doubts could be easily cleared up by you answering a few simple questions directly:

*Did you during the shoot mention bg work to the model?

*Should the answer to the above be yes - did you go to question the model on this subject?

Did you at any point lick/suck one of the models toys?

Further to this - should you have any references from any well known models, I would suggest that you provide them here. If you should not wish to publish them here, then I am happy to provide my references to you and have you e-mail them to me directly so I may check the authenticity of them for you.