Keith, I'd like to have a chat with him, mail me at...
louizaray1@btinternet.com
Cheers
Limey Dick
Paid Documentary for major channel
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Limey Dick
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Sorry Keith but 'email your ideas and I'll pass them on' is not quite the same as ' and I'll put them in touch'!!!!
Not being paranoid or personal mate, but when you've seen your own treatments turned into full length movies after 'emailing your ideas' to other people, it's a habit you tend to shy away from! Tell him to email me (Richard)at...
louizaray1@btinternet.com
I'll pass a phone number straight over and we can talk direct, if he is seriously interested in talking to other Professional Film Makers concerning a collaborative piece as discussed here...
All the best
Limey Dick
Not being paranoid or personal mate, but when you've seen your own treatments turned into full length movies after 'emailing your ideas' to other people, it's a habit you tend to shy away from! Tell him to email me (Richard)at...
louizaray1@btinternet.com
I'll pass a phone number straight over and we can talk direct, if he is seriously interested in talking to other Professional Film Makers concerning a collaborative piece as discussed here...
All the best
Limey Dick
'There's a life to be lived, if you're brave enough to live it'
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louiza ray
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Excuse me ? Come across with an attitude? Sorry mate, don't know you from Adam but I've worked in film making for twenty years and nobody with any sense, emails another film maker - through a third party - they also don't know, with their creative ideas about a subject they know he or she is eager to work on...People talk and gradually share visions by instinct if they sense they could form a working relationship. It is precisely why the major film production companies will only accept solicited scripts, i.e represented by a bona fide agent, so as to guarantee, or at least attempt to guarantee the genuine ownership and authorship of proposed projects. If you are a Writer/Producer you have to at least owe yourself an attempt at protection of your ideas and the first way to guarantee that is not to send people you have never met, your unsolicited written outlines.
My comments were nothing to do with attitude, merely common sense and I believe reflecting general practise by the vast majority of experienced Fim makers albeit in documentary or dramatic fields. So I'll duck out now, because I've seen where these type of exchanges go on here, once somebody gets ruffled. No offence was meant. Sorry if it was taken.
Limey Dick
My comments were nothing to do with attitude, merely common sense and I believe reflecting general practise by the vast majority of experienced Fim makers albeit in documentary or dramatic fields. So I'll duck out now, because I've seen where these type of exchanges go on here, once somebody gets ruffled. No offence was meant. Sorry if it was taken.
Limey Dick
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Limey Dick
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Okay...I did not want to get involved in this but your comments are becoming rather surreal and seem display a patently clear ignorance of the documentary film making process. Your coments on 'game shows' are sadly misplaced and seem to display a rather condescending attitude. I have written and produced a considerable number of docs on various subjects and the idea that they do not revolve around 'ideas' nor contain shooting scripts is frankly ludicrous. Films start as 'ideas' and the original vision be it doc or drama, is then subject to a development (*i.e refinement) process. The more vigorous and self-critical the application, usually resulting in a higher quality finished product. In the case of docs, 'ideas' as relevant to the tense used by myself in this debate could represent the style of a piece, it's target market, it's inclusive visual and audio elements, but most importantly the conceptual nature of the piece and primarily...
What is the central message your film is looking to convey? What are the defined questions you are asking? How will your final shooting script ensure that the film remains true to it's initial vision?
You seem to imply that all this is reached by what? Conversations alone?
No, not quite as simple as that I am afraid...
The above elements should originally be clearly identified in a short treatment, the length of which will vary according to subject, but all these aspects have to be clarified in written form, if a bona fide attempt at filmed examination is to succeed. These are technical elements, but they are the backbone of documentary film making. Any attempt to present a vibrant and serious look at the British Porn Industry demands a highly professional and quite frankly, intellectual approach to the subject and the idea that you end up with a good doc, just by pointing a camera at people and asking them to tell you their thoughts about something, encapsulates your true ignorance of the film making process.
If there is no 'vision' the film will be crap, it's as simple as that and that's why so many docs on broadcast TV these days are utterly shallow in both subject matter and concept. That vision is something that has to be embodied first in the written tense, long before any camera's start rolling. Or do you think there is no such thing as 'Writer's' in documentary film making?
Personally, I believe a great piece could be made and that it could be used as a strong platform for industry professionals to present their views, but as a Film Maker, I have my own defined view of the piece I would like to make and what it would ultimately represent as a 'statement'. I believe if you re-examine my posts from last night that I have 'Skated' upon these already. I have been working myself in porn for a couple of years now together with my partner and have yet to see anything on British TV, which approaches the subject with the depth and sense of moral clarity that it demands.
As for your remarks concerning 'co-operation', the very fact that I was interested in talking to another Film Maker who supposedly holds a respect for the porn industry as subject matter, surely dictates that I am happily open to the concept of collaboration....In fact I have worked with literally hundreds of people over the years, some renowned, some unknown but many hugely talented and creative individuals in their respected fields.
If your friend is a serious Film Maker as you say, I thought he just might like to have a conversation with somebody who has written broadcast drama scripts, documentaries, short films and corporate movies and who now produces porn films in tandem with his partner who acts in them. Who knows, we might have shared some creative instincts for the subject, perhap they could have been fruitfully explored.
I am very sorry for not realising that the invitation did not extend to me, but my comments on preserving the nature of your written 'ideas' from people you do not know, remain as creditable and solid advice for any aspiring Film Maker within any genre to take on board.
I wish you well and thank you for your originally kind comments regarding my posting last night.
Limey Dick
What is the central message your film is looking to convey? What are the defined questions you are asking? How will your final shooting script ensure that the film remains true to it's initial vision?
You seem to imply that all this is reached by what? Conversations alone?
No, not quite as simple as that I am afraid...
The above elements should originally be clearly identified in a short treatment, the length of which will vary according to subject, but all these aspects have to be clarified in written form, if a bona fide attempt at filmed examination is to succeed. These are technical elements, but they are the backbone of documentary film making. Any attempt to present a vibrant and serious look at the British Porn Industry demands a highly professional and quite frankly, intellectual approach to the subject and the idea that you end up with a good doc, just by pointing a camera at people and asking them to tell you their thoughts about something, encapsulates your true ignorance of the film making process.
If there is no 'vision' the film will be crap, it's as simple as that and that's why so many docs on broadcast TV these days are utterly shallow in both subject matter and concept. That vision is something that has to be embodied first in the written tense, long before any camera's start rolling. Or do you think there is no such thing as 'Writer's' in documentary film making?
Personally, I believe a great piece could be made and that it could be used as a strong platform for industry professionals to present their views, but as a Film Maker, I have my own defined view of the piece I would like to make and what it would ultimately represent as a 'statement'. I believe if you re-examine my posts from last night that I have 'Skated' upon these already. I have been working myself in porn for a couple of years now together with my partner and have yet to see anything on British TV, which approaches the subject with the depth and sense of moral clarity that it demands.
As for your remarks concerning 'co-operation', the very fact that I was interested in talking to another Film Maker who supposedly holds a respect for the porn industry as subject matter, surely dictates that I am happily open to the concept of collaboration....In fact I have worked with literally hundreds of people over the years, some renowned, some unknown but many hugely talented and creative individuals in their respected fields.
If your friend is a serious Film Maker as you say, I thought he just might like to have a conversation with somebody who has written broadcast drama scripts, documentaries, short films and corporate movies and who now produces porn films in tandem with his partner who acts in them. Who knows, we might have shared some creative instincts for the subject, perhap they could have been fruitfully explored.
I am very sorry for not realising that the invitation did not extend to me, but my comments on preserving the nature of your written 'ideas' from people you do not know, remain as creditable and solid advice for any aspiring Film Maker within any genre to take on board.
I wish you well and thank you for your originally kind comments regarding my posting last night.
Limey Dick
'There's a life to be lived, if you're brave enough to live it'
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Blimey - and I thought my earlier post was a bit controversial !!
OEJ - many thanks for responding to my email; your views are honest and very much appreciated.
Cenobitez - look forward to hearing from you !!
OEJ - many thanks for responding to my email; your views are honest and very much appreciated.
Cenobitez - look forward to hearing from you !!