Re: WHATS THE GOING RATE PER SCENE
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:43 am
Just one last point: I never said that the industry standards do not exist I merely stated that day rates do also exist. and that they will be part of the proposals and questions a model will be asked.
When I state that the standards are not so much "Standards" just understand that a standard by definition is a pre-agreed amount which by its own definition should not change, is established and well known, this is not the case here.
Of course prices proposed by the prods are more or less similar with a few exceptions, however some proposals will vary wildly in terms of the compensation they do propose.
I do not wish, any more than you do, to entertain the idea of a "day rate". unfortunately there is such a thing as reality and queries to the models Will include that question, sooner or later, so whilst I do agree to your point of view, my job also includes reality, and reality is what the models are facing day in and day out. so they'd better be prepared to it.
if you re-read my first answer to the original post, you will find that I merely stated the facts and not given an opinion as to whether this is how it should be happening.
Paying the industry standard on a per act basis should be the aim, I do understand, however let's imagine the following scenario shall we?
The shoot is taking place in Notts, model has agreed to work two b/g scenes at industry standard prices (even a little bit below that price but only because she is supposed to shoot 2 scenes that day) sounds cool enough
so she has to go all the way up to Notts from London, shoot and get her train back
in other words the day is totally dead.
right, now
She is paid on a sex act basis, things do run a tad late and prod is not that motivated to shoot her second scene, there are other stuff to shoot with other models , well all in all she goes back home with only ?250 where it should have been ?500 net, damn.
When a day rate of ?500 has been agreed and that the shoot still includes 2 scenes, don't you think that the prod will be more than motivated to shoot the second scene??? that they will find the necessary time in order to get what they pay for? with a per sex act pay rate, you will end up with models going to work and not being sure of what they will go back home with ... mm mm
Of course am the devil's advocate here and as u pointed out in a previous post the situation where a model would get her day rate when not all scenes have been shot is highly unlikely and further more I do wholeheartedly agree with the fact that agreeing to this day rate is opening the door to all abuses.
all in all a very interesting discussion, thanks, I see that finally when tempers do cool down a bit and we can discuss calmly we are on the same side and that both you and I are preaching to the choir ...
the only thing I do regret is the misunderstanding that took place right at the start, guess you did miread my first posting, this, as you admtted yourself later, was NOT advice merely a statement of facts ...
Have a good day
/Patrick
When I state that the standards are not so much "Standards" just understand that a standard by definition is a pre-agreed amount which by its own definition should not change, is established and well known, this is not the case here.
Of course prices proposed by the prods are more or less similar with a few exceptions, however some proposals will vary wildly in terms of the compensation they do propose.
I do not wish, any more than you do, to entertain the idea of a "day rate". unfortunately there is such a thing as reality and queries to the models Will include that question, sooner or later, so whilst I do agree to your point of view, my job also includes reality, and reality is what the models are facing day in and day out. so they'd better be prepared to it.
if you re-read my first answer to the original post, you will find that I merely stated the facts and not given an opinion as to whether this is how it should be happening.
Paying the industry standard on a per act basis should be the aim, I do understand, however let's imagine the following scenario shall we?
The shoot is taking place in Notts, model has agreed to work two b/g scenes at industry standard prices (even a little bit below that price but only because she is supposed to shoot 2 scenes that day) sounds cool enough
so she has to go all the way up to Notts from London, shoot and get her train back
in other words the day is totally dead.
right, now
She is paid on a sex act basis, things do run a tad late and prod is not that motivated to shoot her second scene, there are other stuff to shoot with other models , well all in all she goes back home with only ?250 where it should have been ?500 net, damn.
When a day rate of ?500 has been agreed and that the shoot still includes 2 scenes, don't you think that the prod will be more than motivated to shoot the second scene??? that they will find the necessary time in order to get what they pay for? with a per sex act pay rate, you will end up with models going to work and not being sure of what they will go back home with ... mm mm
Of course am the devil's advocate here and as u pointed out in a previous post the situation where a model would get her day rate when not all scenes have been shot is highly unlikely and further more I do wholeheartedly agree with the fact that agreeing to this day rate is opening the door to all abuses.
all in all a very interesting discussion, thanks, I see that finally when tempers do cool down a bit and we can discuss calmly we are on the same side and that both you and I are preaching to the choir ...
the only thing I do regret is the misunderstanding that took place right at the start, guess you did miread my first posting, this, as you admtted yourself later, was NOT advice merely a statement of facts ...
Have a good day
/Patrick
