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"Of course you assumed he was talking about Duggan."

No, this is incorrect. Look up the meaning of the word "If".

"He was giving a for instance not a specific"

This is correct, but a daft comment by you. I replied to his "for instance" explaining why the IPCC would be involved in that "for instance" described by Argie.

Never trust one because if they let you down, you're the mug. They are just doing there job !

Tomorrow is Monday. I now expect DJ will challenge that statement.....

David Johnson wrote:

> "Of course you assumed he was talking about Duggan."
>
> No, this is incorrect. Look up the meaning of the word "If".
>
You did assume that because you have a bee in your bonnet about the case.

Arginald Valleywater wrote:

> Problem is now people see the Police as a well paid career
> rather than a vocation. A younger colleague if mine is leaving
> our company to join the local fuzz purely because he sees it as
> being a better paid. He is a mercenary sod who would sell his
> grandmother for money to buy another designer shirt. Same with
> a lot of other local coppers who get more excited over a
> weekend's overtime than catching criminals. Sad reflection on
> society.

Exactly and the chief constables with their sociology degrees all see themselves as social workers rather than thief takers.

The rest are pretty useless on the rare occasions you see them. My local nick has a sign on the door proudly stating it to be open 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. I walked past at 11.20pm on Saturday and guess what? It was shut.

They massage crime figures to make it seem as if we are safer. At a hearing of Parliament's Public Administration Committee, chairman Bernard Jenkin said that he was 'shocked' by the evidence. 'What we have heard is how there is a system of incentives in the police that has become inherently corrupting,' he said.

Officers claim they are under pressure to record crimes as less controversial offences or even no crime at all.

Pc James Patrick, who analyses crime figures for the Met, said he found robberies being logged as 'theft snatch' in order to get them 'off the books'. The officer, who faces disciplinary proceedings for gross misconduct after writing a blog about the impact of police reform, said burglary figures were also changed.

'Burglary is an area where crimes are downgraded or moved into other brackets, such as criminal damage for attempted burglaries,' he said.

Pc Patrick said an internal audit found that 'as many as 300 burglaries' vanished from official figures in just a few weeks. 'Things were being reported as burglaries and you would then re-run the same report after there had been a human intervention, a management intervention, and these burglaries effectively disappeared in a puff of smoke,' he said.

He claimed that in 80 per cent of cases where an allegation of a serious sexual offence had been recorded as 'no crime', the label was incorrect.

Pc Patrick also said numerous other cases were incorrectly recorded as 'crime-related incidents', a category covering allegations made by third parties but not directly confirmed by the supposed victims.

He said pressure was put on victims to drop crimes by 'attacking the allegation' instead of investigating the crime.

He was supported by Peter Barron, a former Detective Chief Superintendent at the Met, who said victims are 'harassed' into scaling down the seriousness of incidents. They would telephoned and repeatedly questioned on the circumstances of the crime.

'Victims were putting the phone down in disgust, harassed by another call from someone trying to persuade them that they were mistaken about the level of force used,' he added.

Mr Barron said the Met had been set a target of reducing crimes in several priority areas by 20 per cent. 'That translates into "record 20 per cent fewer crimes" as far as senior officers are concerned,' he said.
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Remember when the lovely but dim Helen Flanagan got burgled. Did the police solve the crime?
No but they stationed a copper outside her Cheshire home? Why? This comically pointless deployment is typical of the new, useless police. They wouldn?t do it for people who aren?t TV stars, and it doesn?t help solve the crime or stop a future one. It just rubs in the awkward fact that, once a crime is committed, a policeman isn?t really much use. Prevention is their job, and they won?t do it.

They do their job if its how we like it or not, do we trust them...we have meet to many dodgy coppers over the years so to say they are a trustworthy service would be lying.

We also know a few good coppers who are honest but the problem is there is not enough of them lol!

The way the police record crime figures is because of political pressure. Police nowdays have crime reduction targets so this is why the police manipulate recorded crime figures.

The crime statistics started to be manipulated when Thatcher was in power to make the recorded crime stats go down, which they did. Recorded crime data has been manipulated by every government since then and now the police are doing it themselves to hit targets and the present government now says "Aha. Crime stats are down so we don't need as many police anymore".

Utter rubbish. We need more 'good police' and better policing than we have now.

cockneygeezer2009 wrote:

> The way the police record crime figures is because of political
> pressure. Police nowdays have crime reduction targets so this
> is why the police manipulate recorded crime figures.
>
> The crime statistics started to be manipulated when Thatcher
> was in power to make the recorded crime stats go down, which
> they did. Recorded crime data has been manipulated by every
> government since then and now the police are doing it
> themselves to hit targets and the present government now says
> "Aha. Crime stats are down so we don't need as many police
> anymore".
>
> Utter rubbish. We need more 'good police' and better policing
> than we have now.
>
No disagreement from me...

I used to and up to a point I still do.
When I were a young lad growing up in Brighton in the 50's the Brighton Police
were extremely proactive and always on view and very effective.
If plod was on his beat us kids didn't fuck about until he was past.
If he caught us at something we got a smack round the ear and god help us if
our parents found out, because we got a right seeing to from them.
They were the ones who sorted out "Jack Spot" and his razor gang at race
meetings in Brighton. No one argued with a Brighton rozzer. I can't remember
seeing any under 6 feet, they all seemed like giants and mean with it.
The town was peaceful and nothing like it is today full of thieves and drug
dealers and addicts.
Those were the days when each large town had their own force. Since they
were all amalgamated in to County Forces they have gone to pot.
The Met is to my mind the worst of the lot with a useless Commissioner, and
it seems, terrible leadership. The average copper is hard working and with a
sense of duty to the public being let down by incompetent management.