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The question that people on this forum should asks themselves is why there is so much interest n this appointment by Ed Miliband.

You, Randyandy, describe the Doreen Lawrence appointment as Miliband's Helen Newlove who's husband was killed and was made a peer by Cameron.

There was not a single comment on the appointment of Helen Newlove who is white as a peer in 2010 on this forum.

Why the difference do you think, Randyandy with people on this forum asking "is this a joke" re. Lawrence's appointment?

"I think it's complete bollocks, she isn't deserving of it"

This is a very strange comment given:

1. Many peers are appointed due to being a political crony. They are donors or MPs who have been shipped off to the H of L in their dotage.

2. Doreen Lawrence is clearly a strong minded woman who is not scared of speaking out against vested interests irrespective of their political leanings. She has fought relentlessly to get justice for her son.

3. She has set up a charity that has clearly done good work.

4. She has sat on a variety of commissions on the subject of racism in the police force which shows that she can hold her own at that level of political interaction.

Surely she is much more deserving than the vast majority of appointees to the Lords?

I think it's about time the mods on here re-named the forum from "O/T" to "BNP Propaganda". Sad to see so many ill-thought out and racist attitudes here.

Stop trying to play politics with words David because, to be frank, you're not very good at it.

Whereas those who condemn the award to Doreen Lawrence as 'utter madness' and trot out their barely concealed racist animus aren't playing politics I suppose.

Within two days of acquiring the seat in the Lords, Doreen Lawrence is in the news today talking about how with stop-and-search the Police disproportionately go after black people. Expect to see her more in the news than in the Lords in the coming months and years, she'll is likely going to become the new Tony Benn, Stephen Pound or Nadine Dorries - endlessly on the news but no one quite knows why.

I hope that her endlessly going on about stop-and-search, and becoming a regular on news programmes every week from now on, doesn't make the Police change their approach to stop-and search. London used to be the envy of urban America, I remember meeting people from New York over here in London who would say they couldn't believe how low crime levels were here compared to their cities.

Since the Lawrence Inquiry, and the Police having to watch themselves at every turn, street crime in London has soared. We are now more dangerous than New York. Having Doreen Lawrence popping up Newsnight, Channel 4 News, the BBC News Channel, Sky News, BBC 6 O'clock news, and everywhere else implying the Police are being racist for stopping-and-searching more black people than white or Asian people, will only make things harder for the Police and will put the ordinary citizen in more danger of being mugged.

Perhaps some of these TV news editors should wander around the backstreets of Camden at midnight on their own, rather than being chauffeured back to their pad in the Chiltern Hills, and then they'd get an idea of what it's like to be in fear of getting mugged (I was mugged there) and then their approach to all this on their news programmes might be a little different.

Max,you were not quite sure why Tony Benn was on the news???



have a look at his history,may help you a little.

It's a very simple question(s)/observation which you seem totally unable to answer or comment on.

As for playing politics, the peers appointed earlier in the week were all political appointees i.e. made by the various party leaders.

Any comment made on this thread by me, you or anybody else is by default, political in nature whether in favour, against or totally indifferent.

Like a lot of forumites you are going down the well-worn path of when you are unable or unwilling to answer a simple question, you retreat into content-free insults which add nothing.

I know a lot about Tony Benn without having to read up on him. He was Industry Minister in the 1970's, he was also due to inherit a family title which he renounced. He was MP for somewhere in Bristol (I think it was), his seat disappeared through boundary changes so he was put forward for another one, elsewhere, and ended up back in the Commons. When Labour became the Government from 1997 his son Hillary Benn became an MP and a minister (just by coincidence, no nepotism of course). He wanted to take the leadership from Kinnock in the 1980's and it never happened for him, had be got that he would have wanted to become Prime Minister - that never happened for him either. His career never reached the heights he wanted it to but for years and years he was never out of the news and many people scratched their heads wondering why. He was on the TV much much more than any of the former Prime Minister's who were still alive - Heath, Callaghan, Thatcher, and Major. In fact you can make it five when you consider Wilson, who was alive until the mid-90's. How he managed to convince TV news editors to have him on their shows, relentlessly, has always puzzled me - and still does.

Well apart from being very good tv, he was a lot more interesting than the ex-pm's, and probably a finer and more decent person as well. As for people scratching their heads, who exactly? Just because he ( like so many others in the world, obviously) didn't register much in your conciousness doesn't mean that many others were so deficient.

Would you rather she said nothing for the next few years? Then all you would do is complain that she does nothing for her daily attendance allowance. It seems that as far as some on here are concerned the woman cant win either way.