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It might surprise you that the UK is a small insignificant country on the edge in more ways than one, of Europe.

I think we English are happy in our skins. We don't need to justify to others who we are or what we stand for. Other nations don't have the same confidence in themselves


I dont think celebrating a tradition is justifying ones "feeling comfortable in their own skins by not having to prove anything to anyone"

In other words (correct me if Im wrong) this is the polite british way of saying "we dont give a fuck"

If thats the case then why was the original poster bringing this up? His reasoning is in direct contrast to your response unless 2nfro is of ethnic origin of sorts and not comfortable in his British skin of course

Two posters already have reinforced my belief in what I said to be true

I thought we were discussing why more people don't celebrate saint Georges day?

If someone wants to celebrate saint Georges day fine. I'm not saying we don't give a fuck and are not proud of England.

Just saying I think the majority of people don't feel the need to celebrate being English. It's a quiet confidence in yourself and your fellow countrymen. I don't believe it's arrogance. We are not like Americans who need to put on a show. We are not North Korea. We don't need to beat our chests raise are nuclear cocks in the air and threaten the world.

I agree with that but then I dont understand what the difference is between that and flag waving which the brits seem to enjoy just as much as any other flag waving country

"I agree with that but then I dont understand what the difference is between that and flag waving which the brits seem to enjoy just as much as any other flag waving country"

I suspect that the reason there seems little support for St. George's Day celebrations in the English population is:

1. England isn't an independent country in the sense that it is the United Kingdom e.g. Scotland, Wales etc etc And there are no significant celebrations in the likes of Scotland and Wales either.

2. England is a country where for decades now, the gap between rich and poor has risen. A good 50% of the population appear to have no allegiance whatsoever to a nation and government that hammers the poor and gives the proceeds to pay off the debts of the rich. In short, England is an increasingly divided nation and does not have the basis for a nationwide celebration.

On the other hand where there is no overt government involvement, the British people are as keen to wave the flag as any other nation. For example:

1 In the Olympics, millions were more than happy to wave the flag and scream at the TV cheering on home athletes.

2. THey are more than happy to wave the flag at what they view as non-government events like a royal wedding.

3. THey are more than happy to cheer at and wave the flag at events which hark back to a time when the nation was not divided e.g. anniversaries of world wars.

So the reason there seems limited enthusiasm for St Georges Day celebrations is I suspect nothing to do with people feeling "easy in their skin" and more to do with the fact is that England is one of the most divided nations in western Europe ruled by one of the most divisive governments.

Maybe some people think Saint George is George Osbourne? And the dragon? Mrs T? !grin!

Yes, I blame the Education Minister, Ian Gove. He's been concentrating too much on getting pupils speaking Latin.

Here in Johnson Mansions, the champagne is being quaffed at the latest evidence that the economy is "healing", "looking encouraging", "tough decisions still to be made" with growth of .3% in the last quarter. We are now back to where we were all of, err, 6 months ago.

At this rate, we should be back on an even keel with the deficit paid off in 300 years as opposed to 400 years. Mrs. Johnson has just nipped out to buy a load of gear from Primark just so we are doing our part to get the service sector back on its feet. And in order to help "heal" the construction industry, I have just put in an order for a conservatory which is a scale model of the Tower Ballroom.

Neighbours aren't very happy but who gives a fuck about what other people think! It's all about me, me, me!

The English flag is a joke really. Only the union jack matters historically, and now only the Northern Irish protestants, Falkland Islanders, and Gilbralteranians are truly British. The rest are either Scottish nationalists, confused Welsh sheepshaggers, and English treasonous bastards. Show me one English born black man or English born paki who considers himself British and I'll go get my head examined.