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Gentleman wrote:

> No time for Churchill. Whereas beverage and Attlee now youre
> talking.

What you have to remember is that most voters are thick especially those of the Gentleman type who seem to think a drink is a politician.

And if he means, as I suspect he does, William Beveridge - then he wasn't a politician. He was an economist.

And "Beveridge was a member of the Eugenics Society, which promoted the study of methods to 'improve' the human race by controlling reproduction. In 1909, he proposed that men who could not work should be supported by the state "but with complete and permanent loss of all citizen rights ? including not only the franchise but civil freedom and fatherhood".

So he was okay if you were unemployed as long as you didn't want to vote, reproduce or exercise any civil rights ever again... Hmm...

"2. Government sacks loads of public sector workers.
>
You jest surely - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -tosh.html"

You appear to be struggling badly in this discussion. These figures are from the Office of National Statistics. 270,000 public sector jobs went in 2011 alone.

"And if he means, as I suspect he does, William Beveridge - then he wasn't a politician. He was an economist".

Of course, being an economist and a politician are not mutually exclusive.
Are they?

Beveridge joined the Liberal Party and won a by election to become an MP in 1944. He was swept aside by the Labour landslide in 1945.

However, Beveridge saw Attlee introduce measures from the 1942 Beveridge report. In 1946, Beveridge was given a peerage and was the leader of the Liberals in the House of Lords and played an active part in political life.

So although Gentleman does not specifically state that Beveridge was a politician, even if he had, he would have been correct.

Gorbechov because he realised Communism doesn't work !

But no rebuttal of Beveridge's views on the unemployed?

Did I say Beveridge was perfect.......?

I thought the idea of all those shirkers being done away with would have made him a hero to some, although its interesting he thought that especially when considering the more feral creatures we have in our society now.

David Johnson wrote:

> Did I say Beveridge was perfect.......?

No, indeed you did not. I reckon that Hitler had some good ideas as well - using technology developed by the Nazis for space travel, medical treatments developed as well - shame he ruined it with all that anti-Jewish stuff...

No response to Beveridge's eugenics beliefs.

"No response to Beveridge's eugenics beliefs."

They were absolutely wonderful. What do you expect me to say? They were clearly bonkers.