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Just telling you what they told me. Can't see why they would be working on the side, afterall that is the whole point of benefit fraud is it not?. To avoid work?. As for outside help it's not the kind of think you ask over a casual drink!!

Or perhaps they though "I'm going to have a laugh on this bloke and tell him a few tall tales".

I know I've done that several times.

I like to wind certain people up.

It's sad but there you go.

"Can't see why they would be working on the side, afterall that is the whole point of benefit fraud is it not?. To avoid work?."

Err, no.

Many of the prosecutions that take place are as a result of someone claiming benefits such as job seekers allowance and working, say, as a builder at the same time without declaring it.

"As for outside help it's not the kind of think you ask over a casual drink!!"

Well you seemed prepared to swallow their entire story over a casual drink and repeat it on a forum?

For example, last year, unemployed couple with 2 kids, no savings, ?1000 council tax and renting at ?125 a week. Including for example child tax credits, child benefit and the everyday living expenses component you would get about ?240 a week. But given that is for 4 people, 2 adults and 2 kids, ?240 doesn't strike me as a fortune. Obviously the rent and council tax would be added to that to produce a figure of about ?20K.

Now on that amount ?240 a week for the clothes, feeding, heating, toys, travel etc etc etc I doubt if there would be enough for a holiday to Tenerife at the busiest and most expensive time of year. So unless a disabled person gets a huge amount of money, which they don't, I don't see how they can decide to pay for a holiday over Xmas and New Year in Tenerife on the back of their benefits.

Do you?

Again, i am only repeating what i was told. I'm really not interested enough to get in to a debate about it. Sorry.

"I'm really not interested enough to get in to a debate about it. Sorry".

Fine. No need to be sorry.

It was you who stated " I might be able to shine some light on this subject."

And asked the question

" I worked for my holiday. Tell me what's wrong here please?"

in your initial post.

I tried to explain "what was wrong here, please".

Have a good evening.

Cuntybollocks wrote:

> I might be able to shine some light on this subject.
>
> I am just back from a weeks holiday in Tenerife. A very nice
> hotel and by no means cheap. When we were there we spoke to a
> few different families. We got quite friendly with one of them,
> a nice young couple in there 20's with two little boys.You pass
> the time of day and soon the subject turned to work. I told him
> what we did but his reply was quite different to what me and
> the mrs expected.
>
> Both had never worked, and through benifit scams inc bad back
> which he fully admitted they led a fairly decent lifestyle.
>
> I worked for my holiday. Tell me what's wrong here please?

This highlights the the problem with the current system.

It can not discriminate between those who do want to work rather than live off benefits and those who have no intention of working but instead every intention of manipulating the system. This can be simply if they do go for an interview of ensuring they present themselves in such a way as to be sure the potential employer will not employ them or fabricating their situation to fraudulently get additional benefits.

The structure of the system is fundamentally flawed too, the situation where either an individual or a family with at least one person capable of work are no better or even worse off by working than by living on benefits should never occur. Rather the system should ensure it is worthwhile to work.

Where the situation is that one or more person is genuinely disabled, which often means another person capable of working can not because they are a full-time carer, appropriate benefits should ensure they have a decent standard of living.