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Bob Singleton wrote:



>
> Talking of double standards, I wonder what would have happened
> if it had been St Giggs instead of Lucifer made man in the form
> of Terry? We all know Terry shagged his ex team mate's
> girlfriend... except he didn't of course! Both parties have
> denied they ever had an affair. Yet Giggs, who seems to shag
> anything in a skirt, including his sister-in-law over a period
> of many years, can seemingly do no wrong. If he'd used the
> words "fucking black cunt" in whatever context, no doubt it
> would just have been a bit of harmless banter or a
> mis-interpretation of what was said from a great professional
> and we would have heard no more, especially as Rio wasn't after
> the job of captain of Wales!
>

Given that he's of mixed race, I rather doubt that Ryan would come out with language like that.

Why is it I wonder that football seems to attract a much greater proportion of odious knobheads than any other sport?

And I include the co-called "injured party" Anton Ferdinand in that. He's not exactly covered himeslf in glory in this whole sorry carry-on.

Cunts the pair of 'em.

- Eric

[quote]I don't recall seeing anywhere a rule that says that once one person has complained no-one else is allowed to complain, so why didn't Anton Ferdinand make a formal complaint at any time? Was it because it made it easier for him and his brother to feed the press stories of their great hurt, make snide comments about Terry, etc and generally whip up a media storm in the vain hope of getting Rio re-instated in the England team at Terry's expense?[/quote]

If he had complained he'd have been accused of stirring up a shit storm over something he himself never heard anyway. We'd have had bollocks about it all being a ploy to crowbar Terry out of the England team so Rio could get back in etc etc. When he doesn't complain it's about making things 'easier' for the brothers to feed the press..........I mean, really, Bob? You sure it's not those blue-tinted glasses? He'd have been damned if he had complained and is now damned because he didn't.

[quote]Surely it's equally "racist" for AF to expect Ashley Cole to side with him because both are black and to then ignore him because Cole appeared as a defence witness for Terry.[/quote]

Did he expect Cole to defend him just because they were the same skin colour? He might have expected Cole to understand what it means to be called a 'black cunt'. And I have no complaint with Ashley Cole giving evidence in support of John Terry. I think it was wrong for the Ferdinands to criticise him for it unless they felt he had heard Terry say it and was covering for him (we can only take A Cole's word on this). It's a separate issue as far as I'm concerned because I'm not interested in assassinating the character of the victim. My interest solely lies in the rules being applied consistently and fairly. Letting Terry off would be neither.

[quote]The way black players were treated by crowds in the 70s onwards was despicable, but it doesn't give the right to people like Garth Crooks to twist the facts to serve their own agendas. Just to show how moronic Crooks is, he had Anton Ferdinand in his "team of the week" after the latest QPR v Chelsea game purely for playing! It was such a poor game from both sides that not ONE player deserved to get into a "top 200 performances for the day" list, yet Anton makes Garth's team of the day for avoiding shaking hands with Terry and Cole and managing to run around a bit for 90 minutes. Pathetic double standards.[/quote]

I didn't watch the match so cannot comment. But many of these black ex players have fought racism and helped try and stamp it out of our game. I think it understandable for them to be involved, especially when there's a hungry media fishing for comments.

[quote]Talking of double standards, I wonder what would have happened if it had been St Giggs instead of Lucifer made man in the form of Terry? We all know Terry shagged his ex team mate's girlfriend... except he didn't of course! Both parties have denied they ever had an affair. Yet Giggs, who seems to shag anything in a skirt, including his sister-in-law over a period of many years, can seemingly do no wrong. If he'd used the words "fucking black cunt" in whatever context, no doubt it would just have been a bit of harmless banter or a mis-interpretation of what was said from a great professional and we would have heard no more, especially as Rio wasn't after the job of captain of Wales![/quote]

You see. Blue tints! It's all a conspiracy to get at John Terry (by whom, I don't know because every England manager has stuck by him and the FA have said he's still eligible to play for his country). It's really a plan by the devious Ferdinand brothers to get Rio back in the national team blah blah... He ADMITTED using abusive, racist words to a black player. That's against the rules and he's been punished. It really is that simple!

It'll be interesting to see whether Terry appeals, what the success of that may be, and if unsuccessful, what Chelsea FC does with their captain when they have a 'banned for life' policy with regards to racism and the fans. Any ideas, Bob?

So, has the recent FA report over the Terry racism case thrown any more light on the matter? In particular the one surrounding the Ferdinands' anger directed at Ashley Cole? I always thought that the Ferdinands were treating Cole badly in all of this as I thought he was a reluctant witness, but it seems his first statement about the incident, and later statements aren't consistent.

From the report:

[quote]Cole's involvement surrounded Terry's claim that he had only been repeating the words "fucking black cunt" that he thought Ferdinand had accused him of saying. Cole backed up his team-mate and said he thought Ferdinand may have used the word "black".

But according to the independent commission, Cole did not mention the word "black" in the initial interview with the FA on October 28. On 3 November, the Chelsea club secretary, David Barnard, asked the FA for the specific word "black" to be inserted into Cole's witness statement.

The commission deemed an email exchange between the FA and Barnard should be regarded as "cogent new evidence", saying: "These highly material issues relating to Mr Cole's evidence were not addressed by the chief magistrate ? he clearly did not have the interview notes of the FA's interviewers, or Mr Barnard's statement before him ? and they do not appear in his judgment.

"Had it been before him, the commission has no doubt that the chief magistrate would have examined Mr Cole's evidence as to what he claims he heard Mr Ferdinand say to Mr Terry on the pitch very carefully indeed, or scrutinised it even more closely than he may have done."

It added: "All of this causes the commission to have very real concerns about the accuracy of Mr Barnard's recollections, and the motivation for the assertions that he makes in his witness statement about what Mr Cole said during the FA interview of him, particularly his alleged use of the word 'black'."[/quote]

Surely if Cole did think Ferdinand mention the word 'black', he'd have included it in his first statement regarding a possible racist slur. He only seems to have remembered this being said when it gave credence to Terry's story. Had the magistrate had this evidence would Terry still have been found not guilty?

Now I understand the Ferdinands' ire. It's not about Cole defending Terry, but about Cole changing his statement to help Terry. Anton must have known he didn't say the word 'black' and knows Cole didn't think he heard him say it either because no one mentioned it in their statements. Five days later, however, he changes his statement, backing Terry (a teammate), which looks very much like some collusion has being going on to get Terry off the hook.

Shameful.