Re: Scum Liverpool fans..the real killers
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:59 pm
Evidence? How about using your own eyes David.
You must have seen the TV footage from the day. There were FAR too many people congregating in too confined a space outside the Leppings Lane end, all of them desperate to get in and see the start of the match, with a free-for all ruck to get in (without ticket checks) when the police opened those other gates in panic.
Just because the enquiry says that there was "no evidence" of excessive ticketlessness is a bit meaningless really if you think about it, because once the disaster started to unfold, I think it's fair to say that the last thing on anyone's mind would have been checking people's tickets to make sure that they were in fact where they were supposed to be, no?
No turnstiles on those gates (normally they're exit-only gates), so it will probably never be known excatly how many fans entering through them did have tickets and how many didn't.
But tickets or no tickets, that crowd build-up outside was clearly the root cause of the tragedy. And I don't care how many "independent enquiries" airbrush that fact out. It defies common sense to argue otherwise.
I say "root cause" because clearly the mistakes by the police (and other factors) compounded it all. And the cover-up afterwards was inexcusable.
But to claim that all that thousands of Liverpool fans outside pushing and shoving to get in wasn't at least a contributory factor is crazy. Just a shame that it's too politically incorrect for any enquiry or politician to say so, as the issue is just too emotive.
- Eric
You must have seen the TV footage from the day. There were FAR too many people congregating in too confined a space outside the Leppings Lane end, all of them desperate to get in and see the start of the match, with a free-for all ruck to get in (without ticket checks) when the police opened those other gates in panic.
Just because the enquiry says that there was "no evidence" of excessive ticketlessness is a bit meaningless really if you think about it, because once the disaster started to unfold, I think it's fair to say that the last thing on anyone's mind would have been checking people's tickets to make sure that they were in fact where they were supposed to be, no?
No turnstiles on those gates (normally they're exit-only gates), so it will probably never be known excatly how many fans entering through them did have tickets and how many didn't.
But tickets or no tickets, that crowd build-up outside was clearly the root cause of the tragedy. And I don't care how many "independent enquiries" airbrush that fact out. It defies common sense to argue otherwise.
I say "root cause" because clearly the mistakes by the police (and other factors) compounded it all. And the cover-up afterwards was inexcusable.
But to claim that all that thousands of Liverpool fans outside pushing and shoving to get in wasn't at least a contributory factor is crazy. Just a shame that it's too politically incorrect for any enquiry or politician to say so, as the issue is just too emotive.
- Eric