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You are the Alan Shearer of political commentary. Flogging dead donkeys and missing the point.

Flat Eric 0 David Johnson 3.

Essex Lad - can't think of a single thing that the Tories did to help the less well off.

David Johnson - comes up with umpteen that Labour introduced.

Yet according to Essex Lad the parties are exactly the same.

Essex Lad (needs to get out and travel more) 0 David Johnson 3

David Johnson wrote:

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Well David I'll take that as a compliment.

After all, better a "Shearer" than your "Emil Heskey": Tedious, laboured (excuse the pun), utterly predictable and prone to running around in circles without really achieving much.


- Eric

Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s. - Possibly due to strong economy inherited from the Tories in 1997.

You have been listening to too much Francis Maude. The economy was so strong under the Tories that the electorate gave Labour a landslide majority.

> 2. Low mortgage rates. = Ditto

YOu have been listening to too much Francis Maude. The economy was so strong under the Tories that the electorate gave Labour a landslide majority.


> 4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.----Does this include the useless PCSOs?

Not sure, but it is still an enhanced presence on the streets which the Tories didnt have. Every community had its own dedicated
neighbourhood police team, easily contactable by the people who live in that community and working with them to agree local priorities and
deal with people?s concerns

> 5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.----I would dispute that. Figures can be massaged and there are many reports of crimes either not being reported or changed so that a car break-in is not counted and that if there are several offences they are counted as one.

"Figures can be massaged" So you choose not to believe them because it doesnt fit in with your argument. Not the most convincing point I have ever read.


> 6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
> 7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18. ----Utter nonsense. If this is true why has the CBI and bosses of Tesco and M&S complained that many school leavers are unemployable? Why have many university chancellors say that they have to give remedial literacy and numeracy lessons to new students? And presumably some members of this board were educated during the Blair era - the illiteracy here is often truly shocking.

I cant remember a time when universities havent complained about students. In 1997 more than half of all schools saw less than 30% of their pupils get five good GCSEs including English and Maths. 10 years later only 270 schools fail to reach this benchmark

> 8. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled------Not that important if they cannot read and write properly.

Yes, life in school was so much more fun when it was your turn to empty the buckets used to catch the leaks coming through the roof.


> 9. Employment is at its highest level ever.---As it was in most of the developed world.

And the Tories are so much better on the economy. Despite there being growth when the Tories won the election, two years on and apart from Italy, the UK is the only country in the G20 in recession.

> 10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest
> countries.====But left by their own account more than a million children in poverty in this country.

Ah, the lets not help anyone outside this country, the cunts, and only look after our own argument.

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> 11. 85,000 more nurses.
> 12. 32,000 more doctors.----And still more bureaucrats.

I repeat the bit you missed with regard to supporting the NHS which the independent Kings Fund stated was on the brink of collapse in 97. 85,000 more nurses, 32, 000 more doctors. 100 new hospitals built.


> 13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards.----Not true - at least not when I was in hospital in 2009.


> 14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
> 15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.----Not a benefit to the UK and we just end up paying more tax to support more (unnecessary) politicians and Spads.

There were referenda for these assemblies. Not a great believer in democracy are you?

> 17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.---And often wrong advice.

Often?

> 19. Restored city-wide government to London.---Definitely not something to boast about. We were told that the mayor and London Assembly would cost about about 3p a week so about ?2.50 a year. Last year I paid nearly ?400 and for what benefit?


> 20. Record number of students in higher education.---Yes, having dumbed down A Levels those degrees in media studies and fashion are so useful.

Yes it is much better to keep numbers down so that only a public school elite go to college.

> 23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.---And what a disaster that has turned about to be.

Equality and human rights. It's all shite, obviously.

> 25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.------Another waste of time. How much greenhouse gas did we contribute to the world? Less than 3%. What is the point when China and India are building power stations every day? What is the point of acting locally when the problem is global?

Think globally, act locally. If everyone took your line, nothing would be done.

> 26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.---Like the Scottish and NI governments, a waste of money. And why hasn't either government closed the Scottish, Welsh and NI Offices in London?

Brought relative peace in Northern Ireland. Would you prefer the huge number of killings, bombings and British soldiers on the streets of Northern Ireland that Thatcher's government saw?

> 29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.---Depends on your definition of poverty and not much use when many have to decide whether to eat or heat.

Winter fuel, bus passes, pensioner credits - work it out for yourself.


> 30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.---But apparently still poor.

Improved their lot and this is beyond dispute.

> 31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.----Ah yes, but they could have eased the situation much more easily by lowering the tax threshold in the first place rather than Brown taxing the poor and then making them fill in forms to get their own money back. If you lower the tax threshold everyone benefits, if you make them fill in forms only the bureaucrats win.

Yes, the Tories did so much in helping the less well off in comparison.

> 32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.---But still siblings who live together are discriminated against when one dies.

Should I repeat this point Repealed Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships. YOu are a glass half empty kinda guy aren't you?

> 35. Banned fox hunting. ----And put several hundred thousand farm workers out of a job.

Thank you for the COuntryside Alliance viewpoint. "Hundreds of thousands" bollocks. Bring back bear baiting I say. What a great sport!

> 38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.---Really? Haven't seen any fewer animal rights organisations.

You may have heard of testing as part of drug development. Hence tests on animals. Hence animal rights organisations.

> 40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.----In London that has been the case for years, pre-dating Labour.

Like I have said elsewhere you need to get out more. Free off-peak travel on buses was made available anywhere in England for over-60s and disabled people.

> 42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.----And scrapped by Brown.

> 46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.---But still leaving Britons in poverty. Giving money to India when it has a space program and its own overseas aid budget is nothing short of obscene.

Leave those foreign cunts to rot, I say.

> 47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down
> by 50,000.---Depends on where you live.

These figures are clearly overall, summary figures. You will get variations......obviously!

> 48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.----Training and apprenticeships are all very well IF they lead somewhere.

Lets not train the unemployed. Leave them to rot on the dole or better still like the Tores provide free labour to Argos so they can cut their employee bill.

YOu obviously havent listened to Alan Shearer.

But hey as usual since you have obviously nothing at all to say of any merit whatsoever on the thread, I will leave you to your own devices,

If you have anything half sensible to say on the topic, get on with it.

Translation=
They shelved it due to unpopularity and if they`d got back in they`d have have brought it back out.
And no the internet tax had nothing to do with the spread of high speed internet, it was touted as covering the cost of piracy

You may be right. You may be wrong. However, the odds are in your favour with regard to civil liberties.

The thing is they introduced things to help the poor I`ll give you but they also stood by and let big business get rid of things that prevented the poor being fucked.

Do not call list for example, used to be a free thing to prevent savages calling selling crap. But BT got rid of it cause it was free and they now charge you to do the same thing.
Remember you used to get a phone or gas bill and had two weeks to pay for the day the bill was sent.
Now you get them demanding immediate payment.

I`m all for labour, its just everything after Nu Labour is the tories in red

Labour did a piss poor job at controlling the excesses of the privatised industries resulting from the Major and Thatcher sell-off by having incredibly weak OFxxx quangos.

Labour did a piss poor job period (as our transatlictic cousins would say).

- Eric

Transatlantic is an adjective for something that spans or traverses across the Atlantic Ocean, not for someone who resides on the other side.

I'm not usually so pedantic, but...........!tongueincheek!