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[quote]We have already established and I thought agreed that this view is incorrect.[/quote]

This shows you either haven't understood what I've said, or your ignoring it because you have no retort. Asking 'why are all your posts about political point scoring' is common parlance for 'a larger than normal proportion of your posts are about political point scoring'. It's like saying, 'oooh, Rupert, you do fool around!' Literally, Rupert doesn't always fool around - he just fools around quite a bit. As I said, you took my accusation literally in an attempt at pulling me up on something. You were being something you always accuse me of when you're getting nowhere in our debates: being a pedant.

[quote]You are intelligent enough to know that " political point scoring" is a term which has a derogatory connotation so in asking the question "why are all your posts about political point scoring?" you were having a dig. Then for whatever reason you backed off.[/quote]

Of course I wasn't being complimentary. It WAS a dig. I admit it. But, after making my point (ie - why are you bloody making yet another political point in a thread about the good programmes we have on the BBC?) I accepted his answer (he cares a lot about the country). That's why I backed off. What did you expect? To dictate to him he should care about the country in a different way? I made my point obvious (or at least I should have by now) and he made his. No need to carry it on I thought. It's you that now has the said 'bee' in said 'bonnet'.

[quote]Yeah, particularly when the leader of the political party you extolled prior to the election and defended tirelessly duing the coalition negotiations, stiffs you and highlights the sheer naivety of the views you trumpeted prior to the election.[/quote]

Yes, yes, yes. I didn't vote Labour so obviously don't care about the country I was born and raised in and I'm naive to boot. Every point you made in your previous post I hit for six and whattaydo? You go for the personal insult yet again.

The simple facts are:

1. I questioned number 6 about something that annoyed me.

2. He answered and I accepted his answer as fair, then thanked him. Case closed.

3. You saw an opportunity to have a dig back because you're upset I voted Liberal Democrat nearly two whole years ago.

4. You took an off-hand remark literally to achieve the goal set out in #3 and implied anyone who doesn't vote the way you vote doesn't care about the country.

5. I reply with my reasons for questioning number 6, tell you what I think your motives are and the flaws in your implied accusation.

6. You try and bring up old debates in vain attempt at avoiding my points and call me naive.


You've tried similar tactics many times and they never work. I don't know who's daftest: you to keep trying or me for continually taking you seriously.

You are delusional.

"Your question about why I haven't bothered to criticise the Lib Dems, or Tory policies is as self evident an answer as you said number 6's answer would be to my question. I just rarely talk politics"

If you bothered to use the search function you would note that you have had endless tussles with the likes of Porn Historian and many others about multiculturalism, the poor, benefits, law and order including the death penalty etc etc. These topics are at the heart of political debate in the UK in areas such as how big the state is, the role of punishments and their effectiveness in crime, the welfare state, British foreign policy in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc etc.

To say you rarely talk politics is utter nonsense. What you rarely talk about is when you vote for a political party that ends up proving you to have been a naive buffoon, you keep shtum.

Perfectly understandable in the circumstances. No need to be in denial Sam, we have all been there at different times. I voted for a party that ended up in an illegal war in Iraq that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens.

Let it out Sam. You cocked up voting Lib Dem. You know it will make you feel better and that little bit more human!

[quote]You are delusional.[/quote]

Another insult.

[quote]If you bothered to use the search function you would note that you have had endless tussles with the likes of Porn Historian and many others about multiculturalism, the poor, benefits, law and order including the death penalty etc etc. These topics are at the heart of political debate in the UK in areas such as how big the state is, the role of punishments and their effectiveness in crime, the welfare state, British foreign policy in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc etc.[/quote]

They are my personal views and opinions. While politics also covers those issues I in no way thought about politics when expressing them. I'd rather those topics be thought of as questioning people's logic, or ethical/moral debates. I suppose each party has a policy on sport but when discussing football we don't think of it as a political discussion. You're grasping at straws.

[quote]To say you rarely talk politics is utter nonsense.[/quote]

See answer above, which covers this.

[quote]What you rarely talk about is when you vote for a political party that ends up proving you to have been a naive buffoon, you keep shtum. [/quote]

Another insult.

[quote]Perfectly understandable in the circumstances. No need to be in denial Sam, we have all been there at different times. I voted for a party that ended up in an illegal war in Iraq that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens.[/quote]

And I wouldn't call you a naive buffoon for doing so (if I agreed with you on the war).

[quote]Let it out Sam. You cocked up voting Lib Dem. You know it will make you feel better and that little bit more human![/quote]

I voted for a party that I thought -at best- would have to form a coalition with someone else. I was also of the opinion it would be the smaller partner and would have to compromise on many things. The only stupid, naive people were those who thought the Lib Dems could go in and dictate to the Tories. They were the party with the least amount of votes and would have been criticised as being undemocratic or some such nonsense. I'm not happy about many things they've conceded to the Tories but I wasn't hoodwinked and naively suckered into voting for them. No buffoonery or naivety at all which is what you, in two years, still haven't garnered from all our discussion on the topic.

All this from a single question to number 6, which was answered and dealt with many posts ago. Lol.

If you insist on talking politics you could start another thread on your thoughts about Ed Milliband. Shafted his own brother so the Unions would carry him to victory and now they're thinking of ditching him. I've not really been following it closely so maybe you'll know more. Has he hoodwinked those naive trade union buffoons? I mean, at least that political discussion would be more relevant and up-to-date.

"They are my personal views and opinions. While politics also covers those issues I in no way thought about politics when expressing them."

Priceless! I love watching you dig deeper and deeper holes for yourself.

First the person who asks "why are all your posts about political point scoring?" because he is "interested" in the answer, states that it is "self evident" that he, Sam Slater "rarely talks politics". Though obviously he is interested enough to press Number 6 on why he goes in for "political point scoring". I assume you are interested in Number 6's answer from an "ethical/moral" basis rather than a "political" one?

Secondly the person who endlessly argues about issues such as crime, foreign policy, welfare benefits, is merely discussing "my personal views" and "I in no way thought about politics". As if personal views are completely separate from political views.

Thirdly the person who appears to have no regrets about who he voted for even though "I'm not happy about many things they've conceded to the Tories" and even though the Tories attitude to the EU, welfare benefits, workfare, disability and crime is obviously anathema to him. And even though they are anathema to him he never ever once in all those posts on these subjects, admits that the policies are directly being brought into law because of people like himself who voted for a party that slavishly allows them to be passed.

Ever thought of doing stand-up?

Not worked since I was 6 wrote:

> Was the Jeremy Bamber thread political point scoring? I guess a
> lot of my posts are political,probably because i care about the
> state of the country. I piss a lot of people off too,so what?
> Thats life.

Slow night at Bingo? No crazed Granny's with one to many slim line tonics in them? What is sex on a Motobility Scooter actually like?

So you care deeply about the country,huh? But not enough to go out and get a fucking job? Bit like me saying I care about my apperance but I don't want to shave,wash or get a hair cut. Hay....I bet I would look just like you then, Minus the sex crazed OAP nibbling my ear,of course.

Your idea about caring about the country is to vote for the party that will hand out the most to scummy wankers like you.

The Bamber thread was nothing more than a dig at the system that you so clearly despise.....having no doubt fucked you over at some point. Now that my friend,IS life. Get over it.

Come on actually reply for once. Cut me down with your wit. It would make my day. I dont finnish work till late on a Friday,so you have all day to sit around the house thinking of some thing witty. Oh unless it is Dole day or (fingers crossed) you hurl your self in front of a train.

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"I suppose each party has a policy on sport but when discussing football we don't think of it as a political discussion. You're grasping at straws"

This is wonderful. Of course you are absolutely right. Having a discussion about the British invasion of Iraq is no more a political discussion than talking about Wenger's transfer policy.

The Great Expectations adaptation was terrible if you have ever read the book, it was nothing like it. The film with John Mills in was far superior.

[quote]First the person who asks "why are all your posts about political point scoring?" because he is "interested" in the answer, states that it is "self evident" that he, Sam Slater "rarely talks politics". Though obviously he is interested enough to press Number 6 on why he goes in for "political point scoring". I assume you are interested in Number 6's answer from an "ethical/moral" basis rather than a "political" one?[/quote]

No. A psychological one. This thread could was supposedly about the art of acting/filming/script writing etc.

[quote]Secondly the person who endlessly argues about issues such as crime, foreign policy, welfare benefits, is merely discussing "my personal views" and "I in no way thought about politics". As if personal views are completely separate from political views.[/quote]

Ok. I thought it obvious after number 6's post that when I complained about 'politics' I meant 'party politics'. I guess I should bear in mind that I sometimes need to babysit you through our discussions due to your inclination to concentrate on specifics, making you forget the overall gist.

[quote]Thirdly the person who appears to have no regrets about who he voted for even though "I'm not happy about many things they've conceded to the Tories" and even though the Tories attitude to the EU, welfare benefits, workfare, disability and crime is obviously anathema to him. And even though they are anathema to him he never ever once in all those posts on these subjects, admits that the policies are directly being brought into law because of people like himself who voted for a party that slavishly allows them to be passed.[/quote]

Holy shit. Did you just try and blame Lib Dem voters for Tory policies being brought into being? So by your childlike logic, you are to blame for the Iraq war. Deary me, David.

"Did you just try and blame Lib Dem voters for Tory policies being brought into being?"

Well, who was it that voted the Tory policies through in Parliament? And who's votes in the election allowed them to do that?

Unlike yourself, the great majority of Lib Dem voters who supported them at the last election realise when they have been betrayed and shafted. Hence their poll ratings. You on the other hand, just keep your head between your arse and mutter about ethics and psychology. Me, not interested in politics!

I will leave you like the knight in the Monty Python film, with their legs and arms cut off, shouting out "Come on keep fighting if you are hard enough".

Truly pathetic!

[quote]"Did you just try and blame Lib Dem voters for Tory policies being brought into being?"

Well, who was it that voted the Tory policies through in Parliament? And who's votes in the election allowed them to do that?

Unlike yourself, the great majority of Lib Dem voters who supported them at the last election realise when they have been betrayed and shafted. Hence their poll ratings. You on the other hand, just keep your head between your arse and mutter about ethics and psychology. Me, not interested in politics![/quote]

Sorry for taking time in replying. Been making like Charlie Sheen over the weekend and now paying for it. Anyway...

As you say, the poll ratings of the Lib Dems have slumped but that hasn't changed the policies which means we're all to blame whether we turn our backs on the party we voted for or stick with them. According to you we're to blame either way because we just voted for them. I suppose I should take it as a compliment that you think if I withdrew my support for the Lib Dems that David Cameron would pack up his stuff and move out of No. 10 resigned to avenging this defeat by making his way up to Sheffield and tracking me down with an ice pick - a platinum ice pick from Asprey at the very least.

And as I say, by that logic Labour voters in 1997 and 2001 are to blame for millions of deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq. I couldn't live with that hanging over me. How do you sleep at night?

So, in effect, your logic on democracy aligns with al-Qaeda's: civilians in a democracy are acceptable targets for death because they are responsible for what their governments do.

Your obsession with finishing the final boss in Mortal Kombat has led you to justifying terrorism. That's not piteous; that's dangerous.