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"Your job is to be screwed sensless into poverty, the public sector don't give a flying fuck whether you are dead or alive, as far as they are concerned nothing ever changes for them, they want their final salary
pensions and YOU MUST pay for it without complaint!"

Not sure where to start with this lot.

" the public sector don't give a flying fuck whether you are dead or alive"

I don't see any warm words of support for the public sector workers in your post. Obviously what the public sector workers are doing is protesting against working longer, contributing more for a lower pension. They are merely defending themselves in a way that private sector workers should do.

"as far as they are concerned nothing ever changes for them, "

This is obviously completeley wrong. Public sector workers have had freezes on their pay for a considerable amount of time which is a real terms pay cut of 5% this year for example. In addition their terms and conditions were amended downwards in 2007 and 2008.

How can this be viewed as "nothing ever changes for them"?

Obviously what private sector workers need to do is concentrate on their own terms and conditions, join a union where possible and defend themselves.

WHat they shouldnt do is fall for the old government trick of divide and rule and support the attacks on public sector pensions. Do you think that if public sector pensions are reduced once again, it will make, to use your term "a flying fart" of difference to life for private sector workers?

Cheers
D

David Johnson wrote:


>
> "Certainly now IMO overall there is a case of public sector
> workers wanting to have their cake and eat it."
>
> I don't think this is correct. The retail price index has been
> running at between 4 and 5% for quite some time and public
> sector workers like many in the private sector have had pay
> freezes. In addition public sector workers had their terms and
> conditions downgraded as recently as 2007 and 2008.
>
> How can that be termed "having your cake and eat it"?


Because as you agree back 30+ years ago in general public sectors workers had lower take home pay that was balanced by excellent pensions, sickness benefit etc. while now their take home pay generally matches the private sector yet they are not prepared to accept some changes to their pensions etc to compensate.
As you say they have had pay freezes but I would doubt that taking an average their wages have fallen behind inflation more than the private sector.

>
> I don't think the way forward for hard done by private sector
> workers is to slag off people on similar wage levels in the
> public sector but with better pensions. THe way forward is for
> private sector workers to try to get off their knees, organise
> and join trade unions and defend themselves.

Short term yes potentially an option for those employed by larger companies. However given so many are foreign owned the real risk of it backfiring as the owners would close the UK operation if they became too much hassle. Take the closure of Ryton by Peugeot due to ' high production and logistical costs ' not long after strikes. This made 2300 workers redundant directly and many more in the supply chain. Other plants were re-equipped to build the 207 that replaced the 206 instead.

Back in the 1970's it was the strikes at UK car plans that opened the floodgates for imported cars, particularly the Japanese brands.

For the self-employed if they increase their prices they will simply loose work and the same applies to small companies.
A local very reputable roofing and cladding company in business nearly 30 years ceased to trade recently. At the beginning of the year they were offering substantial discounts to try and get work just to keep a cash flow while hoping a pick-up in the economy would come soon.

> Do you seriously think that any money that gets take out of
> public sector pensions by this government will be used to
> improve the lot of private sector workers?

Directly sadly no but I would hope it would offset additional taxation in some way.

" while now their take home pay generally matches the private sector yet they are not prepared to accept some changes to their pensions etc to compensate."

I repeat this is not true. Public sector workers have experienced changes to their pensions as recently as 2008.

"As you say they have had pay freezes but I would doubt that taking an average their wages have fallen behind inflation more than the private sector. "

What evidence do you base this on? Public sector workers have had pay freezes for a couple of years. With the RPI running at 5% this represents something like a 10% pay cut.

"However given so many are foreign owned the real risk of it backfiring as the owners would close the UK operation if they became too much hassle."

I am not saying that to defend your jobs and associated rights is straightforward in the private sector. It is not easy for anybody, private sector or public sector. What I am saying is that without any attempt to do this, private sector wokers' rights will only deteriorate, but that is no excuse to drag public sector pensions down in a race to the bottom.

"I would hope it would offset additional taxation in some way."

All I can say is that the policy of divide and rule between workers is just disguising the real villains which are the investment bankers.

Cheers
D

Osborne has announced another pay freeze for public sector workers of 1% for the two years after the current 0% pay freeze which runs for 2 years. So unless inflation comes down enormously that will mean 4 years worth of substantial real terms pay cuts.

The Office of Budget Responsibility has upgraded its estimates of total public sector job losses from 400,000 to 710,000

Some cake!

Im sure the army of braindead sun readers(paper of the working man LOL) will believe the lies and tory propoganda(those greedy trade union people)

Yes, tomorrow is the day. A greater proportion of the teaching profession will be out than at anytime before, and the biggest public sector strike for a generation will occur.

I always remember when the London Tube network would 'go on strike'. About two Tube lines would run at half capacity and all the others would be unaffected. The Evening Standard newspaper here in London would have a "Strike? What strike?" headline later that day.

This thing on Wednesday however is on a mammoth scale and I can only assume that huge numbers of additional people joined the Unions under Labour. How else could the majority of people in entire professions be out on the same day otherwise.

I have noticed that Red Ed is refusing to comdemn it. It wouldn't be because, ahem, the Unions were largely responsible for his election as Labour leader would it? Surely not.

For God's sake David, enough whinging and blubbering for the plight of the public sector workers, already! I'm sick to the teeth, hearing about the possibiliy that their lives might change a bit, COS THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD IS GOING DOWN THE TOILET!

What about the rest of us who do not have the protection of the state? Again I ask what about the millions in the private sector who could lose their jobs, where is their voice?

The public sector workers remind me of the survivors of the Titanic huddles safe and warm on their lifeboats, while the rest of us are in the water dying of cold and the bastards on the boats are saying,

"Hey you chaps, why don't you get behind and push our boats to safety, that will keep you all warm, go orn then get on with it you lazy so and so's!"

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Very entertaining, James though ever so slightly over-dramatic as is your wont.

"I'm sick to the teeth, hearing about the possibiliy that their lives might change a bit"

Yeah, an estimated 700,000 public sector workers losing their jobs might change their lives a bit, I suppose.

"The public sector workers remind me of the survivors of the Titanic huddles safe and warm on their lifeboats, while the rest of us are in the water dying of cold"

I didn't know jobseekers allowance for sacked school dinnerladies was so much better than for people in the private sector. You learn something every day.

Cheers
D

Firstly, I'm alright Jack, I have lots of money, dont need the welfare state, benefits, or even the NHS, so I could not give a flying willanda about public sector strikes, I hope they all get fucking sacked, and we have martial law.
So, just to recap, ......I'm alright jack, pull up the ladder.

Ok, then can youi pull Jim onto your lifeboat?

He's freezing his arse off in the sea and those mean public sector workers in their Goretex down jackets sat in a top of the range liferaft are pissing themselves laughing at him.

Many Thanks
D