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jim, there are people who have enough wrong with them, as far as their Doctor is concerned, to legitimately be 'on the sick' whilst having the outer veneer of a fit and able person. Some people suffer from depression and/or extreme anxiety, and you wouldn't know it if you saw them, but they are 'genuine' as far as their Doctor is concerned, so therefore they are not faking it as such. There are of course people who just blag it, and I want to see those people removed from Benefit.

Those sad cases who went out and secretly filmed these people are as bad as those fraudulantly claiming. Sad little losers.

sparky, I have heard that if someone comes of Incapacity Benefit, starts a job and that doesn't work out, they can go back on it within 6 months. I suppose what will happen is a lot of people will just go on the Dole in the longer term instead and turn up every week or two (however often you have to go) and just pretend they are looking for work when they are not. So the amount of people on Benefit will not reduce, all that will happen is unemployment will shoot up, and make the Government look bad as the figures will have increased. Incapacity Benefit was a god-send for Thatcher because the more people she could get on to it the less people there were who were 'unemployed'. The current lot of Tories seem to want to reverse that.

max_tranmere wrote:

> sparky, I have heard that if someone comes off,
> starts a job and that doesn't work out, they can go
> back on it within 6 months.

If true so long as an assessment shows the reason(s) for the job not working out are accurate I think this is fair as it gives the genuine disabled confidence to try a job without risking loosing their benefits.

> I suppose what will happen is a lot
> of people will just go on the Dole in the longer term instead
> and turn up every week or two (however often you have to go)
> and just pretend they are looking for work when they are not.
> So the amount of people on Benefit will not reduce, all that
> will happen is unemployment will shoot up, and make the
> Government look bad as the figures will have increased.
> Incapacity Benefit was a god-send for Thatcher because the more
> people she could get on to it the less people there were who
> were 'unemployed'. The current lot of Tories seem to want to
> reverse that.


I'm not up to date with benefits but guess Incapacity Benefit is higher than the dole and gives entitlement to apply for other benefits the dole does not. Hence better for tax payers to get the work shy off Incapacity Benefit.

If only all politicians concentrated on addressing the real issues rather than massaging figures. In this case if it makes the unemployment figure jump up so it reflects the truth and makes the government even less popular tough. Maybe it might trigger them to instigate the creation of real useful jobs so genuinely reducing the number who are unemployed.