Multiculturalism has failed, says Cameron...

[David Johnson]

So multiculturalism has failed says Cameron. Does he? More Grade A shite from Britain's premier knob jockey.

First it might be useful to define what multiculturalism actually is because it appears to me to mean all things to all people. In it's simplest form, if it means anything at all, it means people with different cultures living together. To me it does not mean being fully integrated and adapting completely to a British way of life. That's not multicultural it's monocultural.

Do we have a successful multicultural society in Britain? I would have thought the answer to that would have to be on the whole, yes. We have sizeable Jewish, Hindu, Eastern European, Muslim, African, Caribbean communities here. At work I meet people from all these communities. Yes, in some areas people live in their own communities and stick together. But that is no different from say, the British in Asian countries.

What Cameron was actually saying was that "STATE multiculturalism" had failed and by that he meant that government spending on cultural groups had enhanced differences between cultures and given young people in these cultures a confused identity in Britain. He then suggested that this situation made it more likely for Muslim kids to join terrorist groups.

This strikes me as crap. I can't recall any homegrown terrorist attacks in the UK in the nineties when the Taliban were running Afghanistan nor in the sixties, seventies and eighties. As the security services correctly pointed out to Blair, the invasion of Iraq would be an own goal for the West in terms of increasing terrorist attacks and so it has been proved.

Cheers
D

[Sam Slater]

Nah, nah, nah......you said "Because people different cultures refuse to get on."

Firstly, it's not clear if you mean 'all peoples' of 'all cultures' refuse to get on, 'all peoples' of 'some cultures' refuse to get on, 'some peoples' in 'all cultures' refuse to get on or just 'some peoples' in 'some cultures' refuse to get on.

I mean, some men don't get on with all women, some women don't get on with all men, some men don't get on with some women and some women don't get on with some men. Does that mean evolution has failed? Should women and men lead totally separate lives because some women and some men refuse to get on?

I'm also intrigued at you choice of words. Specifically the word 'refuse'. So, you're not saying some cultures cannot get on because their values are incompatible, but because they just don't want to out of choice? You seem to know more than us all on this subject so I look forward to you enlightening me.

[Sam Slater]

But you worded it as a statement of fact: "Because people [of] different cultures refuse to get on."

And if it's opinion, what are you basing your opinion on? I see no evidence of other cultures refusing to get on with the general British way of life.

It's considered polite to explain why one holds an opinion when in a discussion with someone. You can't just say, "I think x, end of story."

And why do you regularly omit spaces after punctuation marks?

[David Johnson]

Discussion? That's an interesting concept.

Perhaps you can start a thread explaining what a discussion is so we can get the hang of it?

Is it where someone gives their view and then we just spew out insults at them if they disagree?

Cheers
D

[max_tranmere]

I think the less that another community seems to be going in the other direction to where the original community seems to be going, the less the original lot will have an issue. Years ago people used to go on about everyone and anyone. I remember being a kid in London in the 1970s and you regulalry saw 'NF - WOGS OUT!' sprayed on walls in big letters (the NF, for those who don't know, were the National Front, the predecessers of the BNP). I've lived in London all my life and I can't recall seeeing racist grafitti since the 1970s.

You would get anti Asian gags told by TV presenters and no one batted an eyelid. It was acceptable (even as late as the 1980s) to have the villan/wheel-dealer/crook/gangster in a TV soap opera as a black guy, now that would be very controversial. It seems that the white people just disliked anyone if they or their parents were originally from somewhere else, even if they looked like them. Irish people were hated for years (I never understood that one) but nowdays it seems that anyone who does have a problem with someone 'from elsewhere' only really has a problem with muslims. Most people seem to have accepted everyone else.

The reason for that is the muslim way of doing things is mainly incompatible with the Western way of doing things, muslims seem to want the most changes made, are the ones who want to integrate the least - and most people in Britain I believe are afraid of what will be happening when we have like 15-20 million muslims here in 50 years time. Where will we be on issues like Free Speach, womens and gay people's rights, and many other things? I think most people have accepted other races and most other cultures but have a difficulty, and some fear, when it comes to Islam.

[jimslip]

"Multiculturalism" is a joyous concept in principle. the idea of peoples from many lands and cultures all mixing together is great.

Unfortunately, it does not take into account the age old need, for each faction to dominate the other, that's why we have wars, to either dominate or resist domination.

However, in itself, it was a laudable idea, fashioned and propagated by New Labour thinkers in the smoky coffee shops of Hampstead.

The problem has arisen by the adding of Political Correctness into the mix. So a perverse situation has now arisen where the indigenous population actually feel GUILTY for believing and supporting their own values and traditions.

So, for example if you put a Union flag outside your house you would be immediately classed as a racist. If you believed in the Monarchy, you are a "Daily Mail reader" and therefore a racist. If you enjoy reading British History, you are an Imperialist.......and of course a racist and so on.

In the crazy and sinister world of political correctness, the home populace must fight to the death to protect the rights, traditions and beliefs of newcomers, whilst being prepared to trash their own.

So the original pleasant idea of Multiculturalism has been infected and destroyed by PC indoctrination.

It's a shame.

[max_tranmere]

Jim, the things you say were very much the case in the 1970s and 80s but things changed a lot in the 1990s. Tony Blair and the Britpop music scene (both happened at the same time) reclaimed the Flag and brought it back to the centre. From then on it was ok to have the Union flag as part of your image if you were a band, a mainstream political organisation, and so on. The hanging of flags from windows and from cars started to happen during football tournaments and still does. Things are much better as far as all this is concerned now, in the 70s and 80s the situation was ridiculous and very unfair. The looney-Left, as they were then referred to, called the shots on everything. Thankfully not anymore.