Pundit-Gate: Meet Charlotte Jackson ...

[Flat_Eric]

David, you seem to be apopleptic over Gray and Keys to the point that they're now not merely "sexist" but "sexual bullies" as well.

But you haven't commented at all about what you think of the kind of sexism that's a regular feature of shows like "Loose Women", 'women's issues' columns in the printed media, and comments such as the recent one I cited from Jo Brand about the best way to a man's heart being with a bread knife.

Because I thought you caring-sharing, equality-obsessed Socialist types were against "negative stereotyping", "sweeping generalisations" and the "trivialisation of violence".

So consequently I'm confused by your stance: Do I take it that plain old, good old-fashioned "traditional" sexism is okay by you after all?

Because you appear not to have a problem with "Loose Women". In which case (presumably) you wouldn't have a problem with (for example) Clarkson making a joke on "Top Gear" about women not being able to park cars, or some male panelist on another show opining (in true rumbustious "Loose Women" style) that women make crap linesmen or that they're useless at some other task.

I know it wouldn't bother me, just as it doesn't bother me when one of the "Loose Women" says that men are too thick to use a washing machine or can't cook to save their lives. It's only light TV after all, and not meant to be taken too seriously.

But we both know that whereas the former would cause a media storm similar to the one we saw this week, with Clarkson (or whoever) being forced into making a fawning public apology, women are regularly able to get away with exactly the same sort of so-called "sexist comments" with impunity. Indeed sometimes it seems like they are actually encouraged to do so by those who control the horizontal and the vertical.

And what about the systematic ridiculing of men in TV advertising, in which blokes are not infrequently portrayed as slow-witted, bumbling nincompoops who'd be royally fucked if it wasn't for their much cleverer female other halves getting them out of various scrapes, finding a much cheaper insurance policy or otherwise sorting them out.

Are such comments and jokes only "sexist" when women are on the receiving end, but it's all fine & dandy for women to rip the piss out of men in exactly the same manner?

Does all "sexism" constitute "sexual bullying" to you? Or is there "sexual' bullying" and "sexism lite"?

Shouldn't your sacred "equality" cow (I believe her name's Harriet) issue - in the interests of "equality" - a decree that such crass double standards are bang out of order?

- Eric

[David Johnson]

This strikes me as bollocks and I cant be arsed to reply

[David Johnson]

"But Gray wasn't fired for "bullying" was he? He was firstly reprimanded for saying (off air) that women make crap linesmen, before being red-carded for similar pitch-side comments and the comment to young Miss Jackson in the studio.

He was sacked for "offensive and unacceptable behaviour" which includes a multitude of sins. Keys admits to the sexual bullying going on.

If the presenters of Loose Women were using their position to sexually bully junior staff on their programme I would expect them to be treated the same.

Thats it. Really really havent got any more to say to you on this.

Cheers

[Flat_Eric]

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Which is Johnsonspeak for conceding that I have a point but you're not willing to admit it.

- Eric

[Flat_Eric]

David Johnson wrote:

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Except that's not what I asked you at all.

- Eric

[Sam Slater]

Talking of questions going unanswered, why haven't you answered mine on the point of posting a picture of Charlotte in a bikini?

[BigStu80]

Flat_Eric wrote:

> Because you appear not to have a problem with "Loose Women". In
> which case (presumably) you wouldn't have a problem with (for
> example) Clarkson making a joke on "Top Gear" about women not
> being able to park cars, or some male panelist on another show
> opining (in true rumbustious "Loose Women" style) that women
> make crap linesmen or that they're useless at some other task.

That's called gender stereotyping. Not exactly the same as Gray and Keys making direct comments at Sian Massey or crude jestures to Charlotte Marshall.

[Sam Slater]

[quote]Is it really "Sam Slater"? Or has Germaine fucking Greer been let loose on here?[/quote]

Here we go!

[quote]You even admitted in the other thread that you yourself of have flirted with / engaged in suggestive banter with women. So what makes you so morally superior to or different from Andy Gray, who's just been fired for doing exactly that? What makes **ANY** of us different?[/quote]

Hold on sunshine! Who said I thought myself morally fucking superior? Debate me if you like, Eric, but don't just make stuff up as you go along. Cheers.

[quote]Really Sam, I've not read such a load of morally-conceited, sanctimonious cobblers in many a long year.[/quote]

An exaggeration, surely? Again, I admitted I've done what Gray's done, in the past, and admitted that neither of us know in what context Gray's suggestions to Charlotte were in. Nor did we know what sort of relationship and banter they regularly had. I'd hardly call that morally-conceited, or sanctimonious. And admitting my -or our- ignorance in this cannot be called cobblers because..........well because it's true. We don't know. I think you just typed that sentence because in your head it kinda sounded good. Try again.

[quote]I apologise if that appears a tad impolite, but really I can't find any better words to describe it.[/quote]

I agree, you probably can't. Still, apology accepted.

[quote]Another thought to ponder: I recently saw an episode of "Have I got news for you" in which Jo Brand was banging on about the best way to a man's heart not being through his stomach but with a bread knife.

When is she going to be fired for "sexist" comments I wonder? Because no doubt if a bloke had said that about women he'd have been accused of "advocating violence against women" and/or "insulting every women who's been a viction of domestic violence" etc. etc.

So why isn't she in the dole queue clutching her P45 alongside Andy Gray? [/quote]

Are you reading my fucking posts or do you just see I've replied and assume I disagree with you out of habit? I've said twice that there is hypocrisy when it comes to sexism in the opposite direction. No, honestly I have! Ok, don't just take my word for it, go look through my posts again. PROPERLY THIS TIME.................You done that?.................good. We're sorted. No need to go any further down this little alley.

[quote]But at least you're now admitting that indeed we don't know what the relationship was between the pair, so I suppose it's progress of sorts.[/quote]

Yeah, I think I said this from the off. Pity you didn't see it because then you wouldn't have had to waste time replying with this nonsense !laugh!

[Flat_Eric]

BigStu80 wrote:

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Ah, okay. It's only "gender stereotyping".

"Men are too thick to use a washing machine" = "gender stereotyping"

"Women don't know the offside rule" = "gender stereotyping"

Give it any fancy name you like, but it's still "sexism", surely?!

And I think you mean Charlotte Jackson.

- Eric

[Flat_Eric]

Sam Slater wrote:

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Because I couldn't find one of her in a burka.

And I did try !drool!

- Eric