cutting off benefits for 3 years

[max_tranmere]

There is a lot of differnce between the British brickies in Germany in the 80's and the flood from Eastern Europe now. The eastern Europeans are effectively naturalised Brits as Europe now has no border, the Brits working in Europe in the 80s were always foreign, and would have had limited extent of residency there, limited access to Beneifts, etc.

[Lizard]

Max I agree read my post, I was quoting the cocker,

[Jonone]

At the moment these are 'proposals'. Headline grabbers. What emerges from it may well look very different for lots of reasons, legality being one of them.

[thecocker]

Hi again Max and Lizard

Yes, I can understand with what you're saying, but no British brickie went to Germany in the first place expecting to get benefits. They went there to get more money than in Britain, live cheaply, and come back quite well off. They did it becuase the Germans wouldn't. Exactly the same as what the Poles are doing now. Look how many British tradesmen go to Australia now. They don't go there to collect benefits. These countries just won't have it. Britain is crying out for skilled tradesmen. Where have they gone? Today's youngsters don't want to do it because it's too much hard work, and it's dirty.

Before I came to Poland, I did thorough research. I knew what I was letting myself in for. If I don't get anything, I will not blame the Polish government for that. I knew what I was letting myself in for. Here, if you contribute, you get something back, which is only fair, unlike Britain where they can sign on at 18 and think they've got a God-given right to it for the rest of their lives. In Poland you get unemployment for six months and that's it. Your flat / house is not paid for. You have to live with a relative. They do not encourage 'career scroungers'. Yes, you do get medical care. They don't let anybody die, or suffer.

I'm not against anybody getting unemployment for a period of time. I've even had to claim it myself when I was made redundant, nearly everybody has to at some stage. But I had contributed, and gave it back through voluntary work, and when I started work again. Even in my previous jobs, if somebody was sent to us, and they had worked for most of their lives, and were unfortunate enough to lose their jobs, then good luck to them. They've earned it. They were also genuinely trying to get another job.

What incensed me were the ones with little, or no work experience, no qualifications, and no skills refusing to take a job because 7 pound an hour wasn't enough, or travelling a few miles was too far, and then blaming others. Believe me, in seven years, there were a lot of those. They weren't even willing to help others because it meant working for a couple of hours a week, for nothing. They are the ones the government want to clamp down on, not the ones who have spent their lives working, and still want to work.

[max_tranmere]

Hi cocker, on this issue again of the comparison between Britsh brickies in Germany in the 1980s and the Poles, etc, here now, they never quite had the numbers of our lot go there as has happened vice-versa. Over one million Poles arrived here after the borders came down from 2004, when that useless bastard Tony Blair said there would be 15,000. A tiny number of Brits, by comparison, went to Germany to work in the 80s.

Then the other two countries joined a couple of years later, Bulgaria and Romania, and a flood of them turned up. Seeing Romanians in their head-scarves selling The Big Issue in London really winds me up - there are loads in London. St Johns Wood High Street, which is about 1 mile from where I work, has two Big Issue sellers and both are Romanian. Why should a charity like that keep them? The fact they arent even homeless makes the thing even more annoying! I saw a programme last week on BBC4 about the homeless in London and time and time again people were saying that when the food truck turns up with food for London's homeless 18 out or 20 who get it are eastern Europeans.

Also have you read my long comment above, that I addressed to you?

[jimslip]

Some info:

[RoddersUK]

The answer is as I see it is, simplistic, but round em all up and ship em out, leave the EU and close our borders properly.
I would like to think that within 10 years we will have had a referendum and ceceded from the "Common Market" that the lying duplicitous sulky queer bastard Heath signed us up to.
18 months before this bastard died he admitted that the "Common Market" that we voted for was always going to be a Federal Europe. It's not that yet but it aint far away mateys. Beware. Vote for Nigel!

[max_tranmere]

Vote for Nigel? There's no point voting at all. It makes no difference to anything.

[jimslip]

You asked:"I would be interested to know. How much unemployment benefit and housing benefit would you recieve from the Polish Government.."

I'll answer you as succinctly as possible, "You would get fuck all!" as is the case in Hungary and most other EU countries. Thanks to that bunch of "Gobshyte" New Labour hand wringing, squandering, wasteful, wankers, we now have an absurd situation where anyone in the EU can come over to the UK and bathe in the splendor of our benefits and welfare system without any questions asked. When I am in Hungary I MUST have travel insurance and if anything is wrong with me I must PAY THROUGH THE NOSE! Hungary's health service is a shambles and so if I want to see a doctor it will cost me around ?100 for a visit. In France I am charged ?20 to see a doctor (The French get it back!) and the French are already whinging about the Brits getting free hospital treatment, FUCKING GOBSHYTE FROGS! The Spanish will tear you to shreds and a mate of mine was imprisoned in a stinking Greek hell hole (Hospital) with kidney failure because he couldn't pay the bill. He was finally rescued by the British Embassy.

(Apologies to Rodders for the use of "Gobshyte" which is a good word!)

As a Brit anywhere you go in Europe you will be treated like a fucking leper, if either you fall ill or are unemployed.

But the residents of not only the EU but the World, can all pour into the the UK and get everything thrown in for FREE.

There should be a like for like point system where each countries facilities are assessed, on a scale of say 1-10, if your country has say a "2" then you have to make up the difference when you use our benefit system and NHS.If this was in place the UK would deserted within 3 months!At the testing clinic in Paddington Hospital normally out of the 15 people waiting, 2 or so will be Brits, the rest from abroad. Why aren't they paying even a nominal amount?

Our system will be brutally abused and ultimately bled dry, because it is both the best, free and most easily accessible in the World........God help us!

[Lizard]

"You asked:"I would be interested to know. How much unemployment benefit and housing benefit would you recieve from the Polish Government.."

Jim I am worried about you, you are answering post's in the third person!! the question was from me to the cocker, now according to UK law, you will have to get stoned, and recieve benefit's, it's no good pleading you dont need them, you're getting 'em, also you could face 12 months on maternity leave, and a free cooker.....you're in deep shit mate..