!love!
Sack the fucking lot, and I mean the fucking lot and install the Army to run the country under martial law for 5 years, minimum.
Hang and flog wholesale the bastards who need hanging and flogging until law and order is restored then reinstate Parliament after ensuring everyone voted.
In retrospect lets make that flogging and hanging. I mean to say, just cos some cunt is going to dangle why shouldn't he be fucking hurt before he does dangle?
Fuck those who don't vote because they can't be arsed to.
If they don't, then flog the twatts. Then we would get a representative proportion of what the population want. Some think that it would always be a labour government, but I think it would lead to less extreme governments. That is my view mind.
working class folk voting for an ex etonian
Re: working class folk voting for an ex etonian
So your solution is: gun-law; forced plebiscites; the return of the
death-sentence and irresponsible state violence.
Sounds a lot like the current regime in, say, Burma.
I dunno why I'm wasting my time with you, but I've always had this
quixotic streak, so... why do you think capital punishment was
abolished? Because the government had, overnight, become all
cuddly and goo-goo? When public opinion is usually so massively in
favour of it?
Simple: it DOESN'T FUCKING WORK as a deterrent. It didn't work in
the 16th c., it certainly didn't in the 18th. [when they substituted
transportation, anyway, because they couldn't kill the villains quickly
enough], and it failed again in the 20th.
If it's simple revenge you want then you run the serious risk of being
as vicious and stupid as those whom you judicially murder. Look at
the US, for God's sake- are things better in those states that
sanction execution than in the 'non-murdering' ones? In fact, the
violent crime-rate is lower in the latter. In the end, we'll have an
'eye for a tooth' ethos and be worse than the Muslims.
Aren't we better than that? Isn't that the whole point of the
ideological conflict?
Don't get me wrong- I hate these vicious bastards- but I want them
stopped in a practical way.
death-sentence and irresponsible state violence.
Sounds a lot like the current regime in, say, Burma.
I dunno why I'm wasting my time with you, but I've always had this
quixotic streak, so... why do you think capital punishment was
abolished? Because the government had, overnight, become all
cuddly and goo-goo? When public opinion is usually so massively in
favour of it?
Simple: it DOESN'T FUCKING WORK as a deterrent. It didn't work in
the 16th c., it certainly didn't in the 18th. [when they substituted
transportation, anyway, because they couldn't kill the villains quickly
enough], and it failed again in the 20th.
If it's simple revenge you want then you run the serious risk of being
as vicious and stupid as those whom you judicially murder. Look at
the US, for God's sake- are things better in those states that
sanction execution than in the 'non-murdering' ones? In fact, the
violent crime-rate is lower in the latter. In the end, we'll have an
'eye for a tooth' ethos and be worse than the Muslims.
Aren't we better than that? Isn't that the whole point of the
ideological conflict?
Don't get me wrong- I hate these vicious bastards- but I want them
stopped in a practical way.
"a harmless drudge, that busies himself in tracing the original, and detailing the
signification...."
signification...."
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David Johnson
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Re: So who should we vote for?
Not sure if I made my point clear.
I was replying to your post about the Lib Dems not being able to do any worse than the Conservatives or the labour party. I think they may do better but they also may do worse. Not a particularly controversial view I know!
The reason I believe that it would be possible for the Lib Dems or any other party to do worse than Labour or Cons. is that Britain has a high standard of living compared to the vast majority of countries. There is plenty of scope for deterioration!
Of course, Britain is not run by a dictator like Mugabe but Zimbabwe is an example of a country that was once the bread basket of Africa and ended up being a basket case, largely through poor government. I am sure that Britain could go downhill fast if it had very poor government, worse than we currently have. People are welcome to take the view that we should get shot of the Labour Party and the Conservatives but if that is going to happen there has to be a credible alternative that could actually run the government competently.
Your point about new ministers appointed not having had the experience of running government is generally correct, but at least in the case of the Labour Party/Conservatives newly appointed ministers can draw on the experience/expertise of people within their parties who have been there done that. So to go with any other party would be a leap in the dark. I repeat it might result in a better government but it could be a hell of a lot worse.
I would guess its like any other profession, having access to experience/expertise within your team is not a drawback.
I was replying to your post about the Lib Dems not being able to do any worse than the Conservatives or the labour party. I think they may do better but they also may do worse. Not a particularly controversial view I know!
The reason I believe that it would be possible for the Lib Dems or any other party to do worse than Labour or Cons. is that Britain has a high standard of living compared to the vast majority of countries. There is plenty of scope for deterioration!
Of course, Britain is not run by a dictator like Mugabe but Zimbabwe is an example of a country that was once the bread basket of Africa and ended up being a basket case, largely through poor government. I am sure that Britain could go downhill fast if it had very poor government, worse than we currently have. People are welcome to take the view that we should get shot of the Labour Party and the Conservatives but if that is going to happen there has to be a credible alternative that could actually run the government competently.
Your point about new ministers appointed not having had the experience of running government is generally correct, but at least in the case of the Labour Party/Conservatives newly appointed ministers can draw on the experience/expertise of people within their parties who have been there done that. So to go with any other party would be a leap in the dark. I repeat it might result in a better government but it could be a hell of a lot worse.
I would guess its like any other profession, having access to experience/expertise within your team is not a drawback.
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Sam Slater
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Re: working class folk voting for an ex etonian
Violence breeds violence, we all know that.
Capital punishment in no way deters someone willing to kill. Why? Killers aren't really thinking rationally when caving someone's fucking skull in, for one; and two, they delude themselves into thinking they'll never get caught.
Then there's the same old points from me about the difference between living in a civilised society and an uncivilised one. Killing is never civilised, no matter who it is you're killing.
Capital punishment in no way deters someone willing to kill. Why? Killers aren't really thinking rationally when caving someone's fucking skull in, for one; and two, they delude themselves into thinking they'll never get caught.
Then there's the same old points from me about the difference between living in a civilised society and an uncivilised one. Killing is never civilised, no matter who it is you're killing.
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Re: So who should we vote for?
David Johnson wrote:
> ... I think they may do better but they also may do worse. Not a
> particularly controversial view I know!
I suppose it's a 50/50 ball. But the [small letters] conservatism of
the British electorate rather depresses me- they whinge constantly
about change, and then vote for the Devil they know.
> There is plenty of scope for deterioration!
But the converse is also true- it would depend largely on how much
international confidence they could garner.
>... there has to be a credible
> alternative that could actually run the government competently.
It all depends on what you mean by 'credible'- I usually prefer the
term 'busted flush'. Most governments begin their lives de novo, in
terms of experience, so that makes a new bunch of amateurs merely....
another bunch of amateurs.
> I would guess its like any other profession, having access to
> experience/expertise within your team is not a drawback.
But it can often be a hindrance, too. Fresh thinking, and all that.
> ... I think they may do better but they also may do worse. Not a
> particularly controversial view I know!
I suppose it's a 50/50 ball. But the [small letters] conservatism of
the British electorate rather depresses me- they whinge constantly
about change, and then vote for the Devil they know.
> There is plenty of scope for deterioration!
But the converse is also true- it would depend largely on how much
international confidence they could garner.
>... there has to be a credible
> alternative that could actually run the government competently.
It all depends on what you mean by 'credible'- I usually prefer the
term 'busted flush'. Most governments begin their lives de novo, in
terms of experience, so that makes a new bunch of amateurs merely....
another bunch of amateurs.
> I would guess its like any other profession, having access to
> experience/expertise within your team is not a drawback.
But it can often be a hindrance, too. Fresh thinking, and all that.
"a harmless drudge, that busies himself in tracing the original, and detailing the
signification...."
signification...."
Re: working class folk voting for an ex etonian
Well, that's us in a minority of two then.....
"a harmless drudge, that busies himself in tracing the original, and detailing the
signification...."
signification...."
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Sam Slater
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Re: working class folk voting for an ex etonian
Aye. You'll have to excuse me while I go out and kill some cunt. There's no capital punishment after all. Yeeeeeehaaaaaaa! !cigar!
What people never understand is that I don't refrain from robbing and violence because of the consequences, I refrain because I don't want to; I'd be ashamed of myself for doing such things. The killer/rapist do these things not because of a lenient justice system but because they fucking like doing it....or can't help themselves.
If people want barbarism from positions of authority then don't be surprised if all it does is breed more barbarians.
You only have to look at states in the US that have capital punishment and just look at the supposed 'normal' people who gather around outside prisons when they know someone is being killed that day. They bring their kids and sandwiches and whoop & cheer when the fateful time arrives. Do we really want that in the UK? Imagine being brought up as a kid where the event of an execution is a 'day out'. Crazy.
What people never understand is that I don't refrain from robbing and violence because of the consequences, I refrain because I don't want to; I'd be ashamed of myself for doing such things. The killer/rapist do these things not because of a lenient justice system but because they fucking like doing it....or can't help themselves.
If people want barbarism from positions of authority then don't be surprised if all it does is breed more barbarians.
You only have to look at states in the US that have capital punishment and just look at the supposed 'normal' people who gather around outside prisons when they know someone is being killed that day. They bring their kids and sandwiches and whoop & cheer when the fateful time arrives. Do we really want that in the UK? Imagine being brought up as a kid where the event of an execution is a 'day out'. Crazy.
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Re: working class folk voting for an ex etonian
Yep, can't argue with that.
The 'normal' people tend to be those brought up on hardline
Christianity. The sort who think the NT was merely an advisory
document written by an apostate.
The 'normal' people tend to be those brought up on hardline
Christianity. The sort who think the NT was merely an advisory
document written by an apostate.
"a harmless drudge, that busies himself in tracing the original, and detailing the
signification...."
signification...."
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planeterotica
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Re: working class folk voting for an ex etonian
The whole voting system need changing ie: bringing in some form of proportional representation so every vote counts then more people will vote, at the last election Labour did not get the most votes they just got the most seats and we ended up with a PM that no one voted for and few people want, as soon as a party gets into power they change the boundaries to suit themselves to ensure they stay in power for as long as possible to necessitate their own needs.
Re: working class folk voting for an ex etonian
Hanging never was a deterrent. It has been proved several times. I can remember Victor Terry shooting dead a bank clerk in Worthing just an hour after Fossy Fosdyke and his mate were topped for the towpath robbery killing which rewarded them with five shillings from their poor victim and a date with Mr Pierpoint.
Hanging always has been State Revenge, pure and simple. So my friend, I don't know why I bother with you, but my views are mine and if you don't like them then hard cheese, for I aint going to change them. I have seen many nasty things during service in the Army and I can assure you that a lot of IRA scum, including the two bastards in government in Ulster should have dangled on the end of a rope.
Hanging always has been State Revenge, pure and simple. So my friend, I don't know why I bother with you, but my views are mine and if you don't like them then hard cheese, for I aint going to change them. I have seen many nasty things during service in the Army and I can assure you that a lot of IRA scum, including the two bastards in government in Ulster should have dangled on the end of a rope.
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