Come Back Adolf, All Is Forgiven

[Sam Slater]

Keith, to be fair, though Hitlers atrocities were worse than Saddam's, the holocaust is 3-4 generations back now. Saddam's genocidal acts are still fresh in the memory for a lot of families. We're talking Kurds, Shia, Saudi, Kuwaiti and Iranian families here. They're not looking back at great grandfathers and old black & white film, they're talking about brothers, sisters, and lost children who would still be alive today. All in vivid colour.

Considering these points I think the 'Come back Saddam' thread is more insensitive than this thread about Hitler, yet you've not condemned Mike like you have WZR: in fact you've not even posted at all in that thread.

Now, I'm not sticking up for Warren, -I saw the sarcasm & found the title of the thread funny tbh- and the post may be 'out of order', but I'm just pointing out the inconsistency of your complaint.

[c.j.jaxxon]

Thanks! !xmas!

[c.j.jaxxon]

I know. You know why I ain't? First, I know Hitler didn't like black people. Just look at his reaction at the Olympics that year when Jesse Owens ran rings around the compition. Of course the German crowd LOVED him. Second, you know there are black and white jews but that don't mean we're alined in thought either. Black jews (US and Etiopian) had a heck of a time trying to establish themselves in Israel because they didn't think blacks could be jews and they think being jewish is a race. So I know it was sarcastic and I admit I ain't a big fan of it so instead of lashing out, be sarcastic back! So nope! I ain't furious. !happy!

[mrmcfister]

Warren..chill babe..you are clearly quite bright ........

[Pervert]

Something that Charlie Chaplin and Mel Brooks both realised is that the best way of dealing with monsters is to laugh at them. The latter has given us Springtime For Hitler, a gay romp with Adolf and Eva, in his film The Producers, plus Hitler on Ice and the song and dance number The Inquisition (What A Show!) from History Of The World Part I. Not to mention the Klan members in Blazing Saddles with the yellow smiley faces on their robes.

Matt and Trey turned Osama bin Laden into almost an Elmer Fudd character in South Park shortly after 9/11.


Some things are so awful that humour is the only way to cope with it. The alternative is to look harshly at the reality of, for example, people in the former Yugoslavian republics rounding up their neighbours---men, women and children---and torturing and murdering them simply because they were from a different religion, and face the fact that these crimes were committed, for no good reason, by people not very different to each and every one of us.

The monsters feeding people into the gas chambers are us. Until we accept that fact, we will go on making jokes about events like the holocaust---because that is the only way we cope.

[Sam Slater]

[quote]As you mention Saddam, let's recall that he was installed and maintained by a well-known democracy and that for his time and situation he, rather like Tito in Yugoslavia was exactly what was needed in his country. Yes he was very brutal and no exponent of democracy, but he was seen very much as the good-guy in the 80s by that same well known democracy.[/quote]

I don't care which democracy thought he was the 'bee's knees' in the 80's. What I'm saying is that he murdered thousands of his own people, and anyone else who opposed him. Mike said he should be forgiven for genocide, and your silence would have gone unnoticed usually, and probably gone down as a dismissive gesture; but since you condemned this post while remained silent about Saddam's forgiveness then I think you're wrong.

Genocide is genocide, whether you were supported by western powers or not. Maybe he was once classed as the 'lesser of evils' 20 years ago, but that doesn't make his actions any more moralistic. The people who've had their families wiped out by Saddam wouldn't see the difference between their plight and the Jewish plight during the late 30's I'm sure.

If Warren made sarcastic comments about the holocaust then please condemn his post if you feel strongly about it, but it seems Mike's post about forgiving Saddam was 'serious' which in my eyes makes it worse than mere sarcasm.

Maybe I'm wrong, in which case, please forgive me.

[DavidS]

I am in agreement with the views you have expressed in this thread, Keith. If anything the estimate of 12 million is an underestimate although the true figure will never be known. At the trial of Karl Adolf Eichmann it was alleged that six million Jews were exterminated. The Jews were the Nazis main target for extermination but there were many other groups involved, gypsies, homosexuals amongst others It could also be argued that the people killed under the various euthanasia programmes in the Third Reich should also be included. Certainly I believe the 5 million Russians and 2 million Poles who died because of the abuse they suffered in German custody should be included. It is all very odd, when with a few notorius exceptions, the Germans treated prisoners from the Western Allied countries very well.