British bobbies are the world's best

[mart]

You obviously are a believer in the saying "Never let the facts get in the way of a rant".
I feel proud to be liberal when faced by the alternative, prejudiced racists like you.

Mart

[mrmcfister]

Ok Strictly Broadband.you are guilty of sweeping generalisations..something which you seem to abhor...how the fuck do you measure the best coppers in the world..was there ever a survey??IMHO the police in UK are generally an honest straightforward bunch but probably with their fair share of twats..the Bobbies on the Beat are the youngest in service and most inexperienced..I recall a mum of two who was recently murdered by some lowlife scumbag and her kids would proably disagree with your rant..I am nearly 50 and people have been slagging the police all my adult life..pick up any daily paper and you'll see who the real cunts are..lets begin with those savages that tortured and murdered those young girls..who brought them to justice?..and yes I'd put the noose round their neck with pleasure!!

[fevrd]

Well we probably do have the best police force in the world, but that may not be saying much. I think they get a cynical and suspicious mindset because of the people they deal with.

Also some of their procedures can be a bit upsetting and make people react badly and then they find themselves being treated a bit strictly.

I remember once, having drunk rather too much of a bottle of wine, I was driving along at 20mph when i was stopped by the police. When I had to get out of the car it was clear they were treating me as if I might be dangerous. That's not a nice way to be treated but I understood why. They have dealt with too many drunks not to assume the worst.

BTW If you want to know the outcome, the breathalyser went red but the blood test showed 35 so I got away with it. What I didn't tell the police was the the reason I was doing 20mph was not because I was drunk but because I had my hand up the skirt of the lady in the passenger seat.

[mart]

So you are saying racism is OK?
Well, that puts your position out in the open then.

Mart

[Officer Dibble]

I saw the footage of the Dorset copper beating up on the black motorist and, from what I could see, he looked to be totally out of order. However, we do not know the full context of the incident (organisations like the BBC and C4 News tend not to mention awkward facts that might compromise their poncy middleclass agenda). But, if it transpires that what we witnessed really was an unwarranted, unprovoked, and unjust attack on a black motorist, then the Peeler in question deserves the maximum level of grief from the CPA and his ?super?.

Any suggestion that all Bobbies are bastards, twats, and racists is of course cobblers. As with any other cross section of society, there?s good, there?s bad, and there's everything in between.

The assertion has been made that coppers in general pick on black folks for no other reason than the colour of their skin. Maybe one or two do, but I feel the majority would probably simply be suspicious and view black folk negatively due to their experiences of dealing with them on the street. They might also take into account the high proportion of young black people involved in dugs and serious street crime - remember the furore when a few police forces published racial breakdowns of the crime cases they had dealt with in the past year? Breakdowns that showed a very high proportion of certain crimes were perpetrated by those of a West Indian disposition. Certainly if I was a real copper (and not a cartoon one) and I was tasked with approaching a group of young black suspects (in, say, a mugging incident) my self preservation instincts would immediately kick in. I would firmly grasp my truncheon in the belief that they all had knives and not the slightest compunction about using them. This is simply due to the many, many, honorific incidents of mindless murders and stabbings (usually in relation to muggings) that have been reported in the media since I have been old enough to be aware of such things. Hey, I mean, one can?t help noticing the eye opening regularity with which black faces are flashed up on the news at the conclusion of some court case dealing with a horrible series of rapes or mindless (for ?20,00 quid, say) murders. It?s even more significant when you consider that black folks still only represent a small percentage of the population at large, and virtually all serious terrestrial TV news programs have a politically correct, centre left, bias ? i.e., they are loath to show black people in a negative light and would far rather report stories of white folks doing bad things to black folks. Like, for instance, the Stephen Laurence or Anthony Walker case. The problem for poncy PC people is that cases like this only come along once a decade (jeez, C4 News are still on about that fucking Stephen Lawrence case) so they have to milk them for all they are worth. On the other hand you can switch on your TV any given week and more than likely they?ll be news of some atrocity being committed by young black ?street? types?. Last week it was the Mary-Ann Lenaghan case, the week prior to that it was the case of the ?happy slapping? bad-brained scum in a London park who kicked a decent bloke to death just for a laugh. And the week before that wasn?t it the case of the young black low lives, who were on probation, knifing to death a respectable city banker, in his Chelsea home, in front of his wife and young child? Anyhow, you can see where I?m coming from here?

Breber has highlighted an important issue in relation to all this ? the bizarre irrationality and state of denial displayed by many arrogant, priggish, holier than thou, middleclass people in respect to these race issues. They twist and turn for all they are worth to explain away awkward facts ? like, the fact that a large part of the prison population is black (a far greater proportion than in the general population), suggesting it is only because all policeman and judges are racists and they only ever go after black suspects (Ha! Can they hear themselves?) And if anyone has the temerity to highlight any of these awkward truths or question why it might be that young black folks are over represented in the mugging, knifing, and raping stakes, they tend to get hysterical and start jumping up and down crying ?Racist! Racist!? One can visualise them as mildly irrational, wild eyed, individuals for whom reality is a malleable concept - ripe to be fashioned into whatever wanky shape best fits their cherished, erroneous, view of the world. I sometimes think these people are far more dangerous than the muggers and robbers ? they in the pilot?s seat of our society!

Anyhow, all I?m asking is that people be rational and objective. If there are negative aspects to certain sections of our society lets have it out in the open where we can deal with the issue. Don?t let it fester in some fetid PC hell where everyone knows there is a problem (even the nutty deniers) but no one can acknowledge the fact in case they are denounced to ?the Thought Police? and dragged off for ?re-education? and ?counselling?.


Officer Dibble ? a cartoon copper?s view

[strictlybroadband]

I've met some pretty good coppers for sure... but I don't think the bad ones are a tiny minority either. While, as you say, there's been a high-profile case every few years, there are many more that escape public attention. Quite a few people have been in the bad habit of dying in police custody in my memory, and young black men are disproportionately represented.

Roger Sylvester may not be as famous as Stephen Lawrence, but his case also remains unsolved in many people's eyes.

[strictlybroadband]

"My statement that Silcott murdered Blakelock is my personal beleif and has nothing to do with the 'factual' decision of a court of appeal. I have as little faith in British law than you do strictlybroadband. For me however it's in the British courts, not the British Bobby. Silcott murdered Blakelock. I will always beleive that, contrary to whatever a court of appeal thinks."

Silcott was found not guilty because he wasn't even on the estate the day Blakelock died.

But don't let me stop you: you go right ahead and believe what you want. While you're at it, you can believe that Saddam really had WMD, the Birmingham six were guilty too, and why not fairies and Santa Claus for good measure?

[dynatech]

Political Correctness is such a dismal disease, strange how it only seems to afflict a certain section of society.
There are two main reasons I would never be a police officer (and I have friends in the police and my father was a copper)
1) I would not wish to uphold many of the laws we have imposed on us - I know what's right and wrong and it rarely has anything to do with politics or "popular opinion". Many of the recent recruits are little more than brain-washed imbeciled, dancing to whatever tune their paymasters tell them to.
2)I have no desire to set myself up as a skittle for all of society to knock down. I pity the modern policeman, not only are they gullible enough to swallow the carp about "doing your bit", "upholding law and order" and "we're here to help", they also have to endure a working life as the public face for politicians and chief constable's whims (whatever the long term consequence), the whipping boy for the public/media when they make human errors (especially important given our beloved societies unrealistic demands and expectation for "zero tolerence - I know many of you don't want to believe this, but in many cases individual officers are made an example of the long arm of the law and do not have the protection afforded an ordinary civilian) as well as being expectated to do all manner of distasteful foot-soldier duties like holding speed guns, being shot at etc etc