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i was never any other way good Officer. I'm not against "psychological" performances in sex in context ie: documenting people getting off with each other like Real Couples as this is documenting action between two people or even performers come to that but ever since I started shooting for Liquid Gold I have always had respect for soft versions especially since I 've heard positive comments from people who buy them.

I thurned up to shoot a couple one day who raved about an 18 certificate video which they didnt know I shot.

I'm not really against extreme stuff either. One can't really be high and mighty above everyone when one is just a pornographer really. Especially if you are making movies for the people without compromising too much of your own ideals.

Then obviously TVX are way out of line in this case Randy Andy. Then again, the cable companies are not the only one to give the hard sell when it comes to selling a product. The Americans excell at this like no other...but sticking to specifics...

To all of you who are complaining about the level of hardcore shown on TVX after encryption... Or any other channel..

They can only broadcast what is legal to show in the UK... That's it.

The girls do get naked... The girls do use toys for real etc. but due to our archaic laws the actual penetration can't be shown..

Don't blame the tv companies...

TVX are new to live programming and I think that most of the current presenters are London based. Give them time and I'm sure that other girls from further up north will appear when it's settled in to place, and there will be more variety to keep everyone happy

Tonight there was Indian Sahara, and the two Black girls, Lexi and Bambi I think... For me as an ethnics only person that mades a pleasant change to seeing only blondes. I'm sure others will moan that Starr was the only Caucasian... BIG DEAL !!!

Doh 'we' know that Joe.

What 'we' can't take is that they say "we get much harder after encryption".

Which as everyone knows is total b*****ks (apart from the new punters they are trying to con).

As I said I disagree with longun about the quality of the models but also disagree with mr spunky when he says tvx arent out to deceive.

I have watched tvx etc and will continue to watch when the mood takes me because I enjoy Laura Jones, Sandy babe abroad / gets her girl etc and others but do it in the knowing that I won't see hard.

I just get annoyed when tvx etc say they show harder stuff after encryption, it's taking the p**s.

rant over I'll go and sit in a dark corner now!

RandyAndy...

But it is much harder... What do you want them to say .. Don't forget to sign up and see us sticking toys in each other from an angle that obscures the actual penetration... LOL..

Unfortunately it's artistic license that's used.. Whether penetration can be seen or not it happens and so the promo's don't lie. I must admit that I am interested in the viewing figures for all the live channels. Specially the before and after encryption ones.

Which department of TVX do you work for, mate?
Is it marketing or sales?

You can't defend the indefensible, or take us all for idiots.

Jesus, go take it to Watchdog if you're all wetting your pants about it that much.

Word for word, TVX do not lie. For example, in the shows that I produce for the channel you can see ejaculated semen falling on women's bodies. (Or at least it looks like ejaculated semen, I couldn't possibly comment.) I can't imagine that getting shown in the freeviews.

How you choose to interpret their 'promise' of harder material is entirely up to you.

It'sstill a con compared to what you get from SexView, Redlight and all the other channels on hotbird ... and any one is cheaper than TVX and they give hardcore 24 hours a day. Some people may like the soft rubbish TVX and the like serve up, but 90% of viewers only stick with it because they think installing a real satellite system is difficult - but it isn't difficult and it isn't expensive. and the cost of a complete system would be recouped against not paying TVX overpriced offerings.

Word for word, TVX do not lie.

Sorry andy but that is lie.

Iam bored with this debate now but would suggest to those who try to defend them to watch the previews.

As I said I watch TVX because some of the programmes are enjoyable but do so with the knowledge that I won't see any hardcore.

With regards to the semen being ejaculated just out of interest what is it sugar and water or wall paper paste that you use? (lol)

Good point

Personally I would prefer to watch Sahara, Lexi M, Tequila, Heavenly etc even with the restrictions British TV gives them. They are stunning , its not like we can't find hardcore stuff of Angel Long, Sahara , Lexi M etc. There's no need to mess with the Sky dish to find it. Its all easily available. On TV I am happy to see them in this format
As for Heavenly she is one of the most beautiful girls I have seen and I am happy to enjoy watching her whatever level of modelling she is doing. She is sorely missed on babestation which is far more in line with her modelling levels.
Give me the choice of watching Heavenly in a glamour show or a European or American model I dont know in hardcore, I choose Heavenly every time. Same goes for the other British models whether glamour or adult models


Neil