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Nice one David.

We should be very carefull to say what will or won't cause actual harm. Some things described as harmful don't cause harm and some things which people claim are harmless are infact harmful.

It is very easy to say that something is disgusting and should be banned, but that dismisses the real issue. In the past the authorities always held that simple hardcore was harmful to society, but the majority of the evidence does not support this view and things are now slowly changing.

In the case of violent porn I think the jury is still out as the evidence is contradictory (dispite what the BBFC would have us believe). Before someone says but wouldn?t it be better to ban it just in case? It should be remembered that banning it might also be harmful in its own right if it really does act as a safety value for some people.

Rather than say this or that is perverted/disgusting it would be better to say that it's harmful and be ready to back up that asertion with some scientific evidence.

'Rather than say this or that is perverted/disgusting it would be better to say that it's harmful and be ready to back up that asertion with some scientific evidence'


there is never going to be 'scientific evidence' - there was never any 'science'.

So you get 'experts' - are they scientists or 'experts'? They seem more like lawyers, ask 10 different 'experts'/lawyers and you will get 10 different 'opinions'.

a rape/revenge story ? what like 'I spit on your grave' - you'd have to get the us version as the UK one is cut?

yeah right!

Paul I don't recall anyone mentioning bans or censorship. I was merely expressing anger at the thought of someone getting off on watching images of someone being raped (faked or not) - it was more of a personal reaction than a call for any sort of legislative reaction.

If anything I think it's more of a problem that this sort of material is used as ammunition by the "moral" right wing and PC brigades as a means of calling for bans on all sexual freedom of expression. In that sense entitling a thread "rape videos" seems to me to invite such calls and that's where I think its important to draw the line and say while we oppose censorship of all forms, freedom of expression must also include the right to be critical and asy when we think something is obnoxious or abusive.

As a woman, I really felt I had to respond to this post although I have lurked on this board up until now.

As has already been posted, I don't know if LeighLondon was unfortunate in his choice of words, but his subsequent comments are rather concerning.

Sure, we all have different tastes and I am not one to judge, but I'm sorry there is a whole world of difference between a bit of rough sex and rape. Thank god I have never been in this position, but it is possibly the most horrible thing that can happen to a person and for it to be discussed in the same way as all other types of porn is offensive to the women (and men) in the industry and the people who choose to watch porn. How you can even compare the two is a mystery to me.

Of course people are exploited in this industry and there are some awful things that happen which could be discussed over and over again, but I think saying that everyone is treated rough is wrong and once again highly offensive to all concerned.

Quite why you want to look at images of this nature baffles me. I'm not going to start calling you names as these have already been said. I'm sure you're not about to go out and attack the first person who crosses your path but these websites do fuel such unhealthy fantasies by saying such behaviour is acceptable. It is not.

I have stated my position re male v female, many times.

To recap:
I am old fashioned in that I believe that the "thrill of the chase"whereby a man pursues a woman and eventually gets to feel the flesh obove her stocking-tops etc. etc. is an ultimate goal agreed to by both parties.

This simulated rape business is disgusting, as is max hardcore and his ilk.
If they came here and offered me a lot of money to shoot his kind of shit, I would smack him/them right in the mouth.

Whilst I agree with Dibble and others about certain ladies preferring "rough sex" the same people and ladies would obviously NOT want this done against their will.

Far from me to defend the BBFC, however, violence(in their eyes) is not tolerated and rightly so.

I have been in Castles of the Queen(like that one)? where nonces are cosseted and coddled and not considered common criminals(such as myself) but SICK, in need of TREATMENT. -Which they get (Whatever the hell that means, apart from an early release). They then (in the vast majority of cases) go out and repeat.

The awful/horrible/diabolical (cannot think of enough adjectives) case in Soham, whereby Huntley's records were "lost/deleted" is beyond comprehension. Nobody ever "lost" my criminal record and I never hurt a fly in my pursuit of the Pot-of-Gold

No-one seems to understand (ESPECIALLY) the judiciary, that young lives are totally,utterly ruined forever.

The argument in favour of such videos that it is a release whereby one substitutes the video for the actual act, is a total load f bollocks.

If ONE, repeat ONE, young life is spared from these FILTH, then all the money lost from said videos is in a genuine sense, WELL LOST/SPENT.

We are on this site-presumably-because of our interest in visual sex.
NOT explotiation/coercion/violence or similar extremes.

The internet provides all and sundry with the freedom to exploit/state etc
their own predelections, rightly so. HOWEVER, it also leads to terrible happenngs and as an active member of the pornographic community I entirely condemn - and indeed declare war - upon those who seek to abuse; in any way, shape or form this wonderful method of anonymity.

"Rape videos"? to return to the subject, should not only be banned but the perpetrators should face a wrath beyond the comprehension of even their sick minds.

well said

Well said Mr Allen. Whilst there are lots of things to do with BBFC policy that annoy me - what the fuck is wrong with someone shagging outdoors or a bloke getting pissed on? - their removal of the throttling and abuse that seems endemic in US porn these days can only be applauded. It's interesting to note that while the US has drifted towards a rape aesthetic (treating women as pieces of meat) one of the biggest European culprits has mellowed considerably. Private Movies nowadays are all S&M fetish or Biblical epics - essentially Vivid with an anal-obsession - but you only have to go back a few years to a time when their idea of a porn vignette was half a dozen burly blokes chasing a screaming woman through the streets before stripping and pseudo gang-raping her as she begs them to stop. How the fuck they got away with it - even in liberal Sweden - is totally beyond me. It's sad that as Europe gets more "civilised", America sinks further into the moral cesspit. Ho hum.