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FAO Joe A cant say too much about the possible connections between the two companys however having worked for both all i will say here is that the model you mentioned should reconsider Spirit as i know the guy well and he is lovely, not at all sleazy and she should have no problems with them, email me direct for more info on the matter or your model could and i will explain etc...

Ok, I'll go on the record if no one else will. Though I must stress that product descriptions are my own personal opinion.

Don't know what the big secret is, all parties involved are aware of each others business. Spirit is not FC, though it is a disgruntled ex employee.

Whilst Sutcliffe is very much a wanted man in this part of the country, his great wealth has managed to keep him safely hidden away, from the public at least, but his spell in prison recently had certain associates deserting the ship, along with his vast mailing list. A list which can make pepole rich overnight.

The up side of this benefits the models; same rate of pay as FC, better working environment. The nice bloke who shot a lot of their earlier work has been dispensed with to save money, leaving an all female "production team," which is used as a selling point by agents.

The down side, if any, comes with the finished product. Whilst the old faces always put on a good, if "same old" show, the newer girls are a bit lost, and we get a female interpretation of what we want to see.

A model I know prefered Spirit greatly to FC as they did not ask her to do anal. The result, however, was a less interesting show. (in my opinion). All her own work with no direction.

Many will be glad to see the back of the old fashioned FC school uniforms, but the background noise remains, along with mistakes and "bloopers" not cut out due to the uneditable filming method.

To models I would say, yes they're safe and definitely to be recommended. To consumers I would say, ok I suppose for a tenner, but how on earth do people sell so much of this stuff? Beats me, but oh, for that mailing list.

Nothing much there we didn't already know (or suspect).
I agree though about the poorer quality (content-wise, at least) of Spirit's offerings.
I think for both companies it's a case of trying to please everyone, and ending up pleasing no-one...........

I would prefer to see him put out poorer quality and have a business that let that Phil fukwit paw up and letch his way with niave new girls who go there for a solo shoot to be told they need to fuck a halfwit,
To solve the quality part is easy anyone he ask's will help him me included with some advise if indeed he feels he needs it, could be the new boy is happy with what he is doing, who knows unless he comes on the forum and tells us.
As for my opinion and thats what it is, the sooner Spirit clears up its situation with regards to FC the better, I think coming out with a honest answer will get him on the first rung of the ladder within the Industry. And producers like me will stop blocking every girl I can from going to Halifax,

Phil McC (Jim Deans)

Sutcliffe is busted again for the same offences as previously.

During all the publicity and professed outrage the last time, several agencies continued to send girls to FC whilst quoting in public such things as Shock & Horror etc. ....................I suppose biz is biz to some people.

Spirit was born either from a stolen list or as a disguise.

As Jim said, perhaps the matter should be cleared up by the Principals, if only to forestall further speculation and tittilating gossip.

Meanwhile, could we please have less hypocrisy.

......yeah, but you and I both know that FC could lie for England. They seem to positively revel in misinformation and innuendo.
I suppose there really is no such thing as bad publicity...........