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@OEY

Why the hell are YOU being so nice LMAO

Actually, I have already said what I think of you, I feel you have been more than candid, and yes I think we have kept things fairly civil. Being accused of being a Troll and a Propagandist, was well I took it as hyperbole from you TBH!

Mind you, yo put things in contrast, a fellow GEIL participant and now AITA Chairman Jason Maskell, not so understanding...

"Jason Maskell ‏@Jason_Maskell

@acs_law_illegal @parliament_paps you really do not know the truth, be careful what you put in writing as I will take action if required."

OUCH, he has threatened me... (I have NO idea who Parliament_paps are)

I think the mainstream argument is complex. I truly cant ever see, it being truly mainstream, or out society would go back to like Sparta, lol (They had quite mainstream porn). It is ADULT and should NOT be mixed with other spheres of life.

I would HATE to think of my Mum, or Gran or Sister or Daughter being any part of the industry. I wonder what those IN the industry think, maybe differently, I am BTW NOT bringing this in as an appeal to emotion, but merely as a factual observation.

I thin what I am saying is there should be places for Adults only to go and other places for Family. Adults SHOULD have their own space, whatever that space is.

I agree with your last sentence.

I think you'll find a lot of porn folk share the same thoughts as you about porn having a place for adults only.

@OEJ, !happy!

I would be interested in your thoughts on this.

Having read with interest your thoughts and predicament with issues regarding p2p downloads, I offer an alternative Letter Of Claim (LoC):

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Dear xxx

It is with regret?..

This letter will set out claims?..

We have obtained the services??

However, despite our claims we are prepared to set out a settlement with you where you pay the amount of ?30.00 + ?10.00 post / packaging to us. We will then send you a genuine boxed DVD of ?The Works? to your address. You will also be automatically made a valued member of our P.I.P. (Possible Infringing Person) list, where you receive a 5% discount on all purchases from our catalogue for the next 12 months.

Failure to respond or agree to this proposed settlement??.
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In no way OEJ do I think this is absolutely fair also, as all my previous arguments and evidence still stands:

> Monitoring is flawed
> Expert witness is not an expert
> Subscriber is not infringer
> Innocents will be targeted
> Claims of damages is not provable
> Claims of damages are not proportional

I only offer this alternative LoC for these reasons:

> Innocent people will probably take up the offer and only pay ?40.00
> Innocent people may be able to sell the DVD to get something back
> You get income for an alleged infringement
> You will not be alienating your own consumers
> You may actually gain extra income
> You will likely not suffer further through bad publicity

Given the fact OEJ that you have put all your arguments forward and don?t see an alternative, at least I am thinking of an alternative.

BTW, happy new year to you and everyone!

bpaw,

In theory, thats not a bad idea.

In practice, it would be heartily laughed at and binned immediately

If that idea was deterrent enough there would no need to persue the issue of anti piracy.

Most multi sites with hundreds of scenes cost less than half of the price you suggest. The real problem is that many want it for free. The other real problem comes when those who want it for free to make money from.

You would really need to be in the business of multimedia to see all this for yourself and why that idea is unworkable.

The cost alone in getting that kind of information for a start would exceed the ?40. Chasing pirates is a full time job in itself and when you consider that it is such that requires a team you can begin to understand some idea of the costs involved in hiring a team on a full time basis.

Piracy is so endemic now that it has created an entire industry of its own. One only has to see that FACT has done this for years but is financed by a consortium of film distributors.

Ive learned a lot from those involved with piracy that I joked I'd be making a lot more if I was pirating it myself which in itself is not as ridiculous an idea if you knew what I found out about it.

I truly appreciate you may well be fighting for the innocent but when you see how this business is monetised those who are really innocent are just protective padding for those hiding behind them.

I'm not talking about the regular bloke shifting a few copies between his mates here. Spend a bit of time on this and you will find its also become a kudos thing to get the latest film title or unreleased album ahead of time and leak it on the net to get prestige among their peers.

If this is the kind of person you are suggesting I am going to get a bad reputation from then I would gladly wear that badge with pride.

This would be the first kind of person to plead innocent and claim poor health problems as a result of pressure from this scheme.

Theyd be the same ones chuckling later when they got off easily too, skipping and a hopping to tell their pals down the pub no doubt.

To further add on this:

A whole bunch of producers explored ideas with how to deal with theproblem of piracy and everything from "a pound a pop" for iptv ventures was explored

You may think the lack of revenue could be down to the product being rubbish (possibility) but then when you are given links from various members suggesting they can get your stuff for free from file sharing forums where you see pages of pages of nice comments and thanks for sharing running into the hundreds and often thousands per forum and seeing huge site rips, you quickly realise that piracy is a bigger problem than you thought it was...And thats just the figures you know about.

The mind boggles on what you dont know about and if you are still fortunate enough to make a living and see your revenue drop its hard to put it down to excuses the content is old or just simply rubbish

There is plenty of popular stuff that doesnt get seen on these type of forums so how does that work when your products are given away for free?

@OEJ

My feeling at having been patronised was surely not meant on your part. I am the only one on here who actually did a bit of digging on a BitTorrent website and mentioned my findings here. We all can do this, you know. I followed the major seeders and they are on servers.

Let me just explain my point of view to your response.

Firstly, my proposed letter won't be laughed at and binned because the same requirement to responsd still applies. The letter still has the "threat" of Court action. Or is it an admission that you know that GEIL are not prepared to go to Court?

Secondly, the picture you describe as regards endemic piracy suggests these are not paying customers anyway.

Thirdly, the major pirates are out of reach of casual monitoring of o2 customers. The ones seeking kudos are making material available and are hosted on servers. Try sending an LoC to a US server.

Fourthly, the serious downloaders are hiding behind VPNs like the one that Aleriza Torabi offers.

This is where your valid argument appears to be flawed by the very words you type.

Consider my alternative LoC again. You have already said that you didn't expect to see anything come from this. What is being asked for is for sure going to make people fight it, innocent or not. It maybe that only 10% or less pay up.

100 x ?500 is ?50,000. 1000 x ?40 is ?40,000. We are not talking way out figures here. But one claim is better for your reputation than the other, and offers the chance for further custom.

And I know that you are still not prepared to offer an opinion on the fact that less than 1,000 subscriber names came out of nearly 3,000 IP addresses.

Never mind.

@Bpaw, your letter would only be good for those who WANT to tackle piracy, it is of no use whatsoever for those who want to create a revenue stream.

We both now know that Becker wont tackle the Tube Sites as he sees them as a revenue stream themselves, this is of course laughable, but I say let him get on with it. There is no way in Gods green earth that they are going to carry adverts for him and share in any profit. That is what he believes, I think he is sadly mistaken, and as I don't trust a word he says, I dont think he actually means it anyway. I have researched a few of the BIG tube sites, and NONE of them carry ads for the Porn industry, I guess however his "Plan" at least excuses him from tacking them as we have suggested!

@OEJ I understand your reservation RE Bpaws letter. A thought has crossed my mind however, is it your belief that the people targeted by GEIL are the same "Type of person" that you have described with regard to selling HDD worth of stuff? I can understand your view if it is, I dont agree, as I know how bittorrent works, and there is no money involved at the local level that GEIL are targeting.

I personally feel that the Internet has so changed the landscape of the World and it's business setup that thinking out of the box is necessarily. I feel there should be a law change that allows a "Person use" division of law, anyone found copying and selling should be punished, but those who keep for themselves should be passed over. I am NOT saying this is morally right, but I do see it as a way forward. GEIL to me are targeting a protocol that by its nature uploads a small fraction of the download, that way they can say "Look people are uploading", that of course is ridiculous, but that is what the fight is against.

Stranger to is that TOrabi uses a hacked version of Azureas, that he calls "Transmission", which is basically the same but allows no upload, well of course we dont actually know what it is, as he wont allow it to be scrutinized in Court, neither I might add will GEIL.

@OEJ

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill ... n-pirates/

"Steele has never taken one of his John Does to court though he says he relishes the opportunity for a trial. ?If I have judgments in my hands, wouldn?t that be a wonderful thing to show everyone to make other people settle?? he says."

Sound familiar? This is the kind of guy Becker will most likely meet up with at the Xbiz360.

Never go to Court, for that would kill the Golden Goose!

bpaw: ...The letter still has the "threat" of Court action. Or is it an admission that you know that GEIL are not prepared to go to Court?


I can see why he would say that but for me I would say that courts are expensive and time consuming and the results are more based on strategy than moral rights or wrongs and we can find plenty evidence to support this in this in the media.

If it was a question of morality then would this all even be an issue by your reckoning?


bpaw: Secondly, the picture you describe as regards endemic piracy suggests these are not paying customers anyway.

How does that suggest anything than what it is??? How are we to determine who is paying for it versus freeloading??? Just saying it doesnt make sense that if they are paying for it why would they download it??? It makes no odds to me if they joined someone elses site and expected to get mine for free...Or did I misunderstand your point?


bpaw: Thirdly, the major pirates are out of reach of casual monitoring of o2 customers. The ones seeking kudos are making material available and are hosted on servers. Try sending an LoC to a US server.

Again, as explained, this has been done many times over the years with the same result of those servers removing the content to have it re-upped as a renamed link the same day or within minutes of removing the link. Again, time consuming and inefficient a method


bpaw: Fourthly, the serious downloaders are hiding behind VPNs like the one that Aleriza Torabi offers.

This is where your valid argument appears to be flawed by the very words you type.


These flaws you speak of can be attributed to anything invented by man. Was this not indeed addressed by the judge? I think an allowance has been made which is why I understand the opposition in defence of innocent persons being caught up in the net which is why the courts are involved so intimately.


bpaw: Consider my alternative LoC again. You have already said that you didn't expect to see anything come from this. What is being asked for is for sure going to make people fight it, innocent or not. It maybe that only 10% or less pay up.

100 x ?500 is ?50,000. 1000 x ?40 is ?40,000. We are not talking way out figures here. But one claim is better for your reputation than the other, and offers the chance for further custom.


I am not actively involved in this scheme. The sites content is being represented and acted on my behalf. I do understand your logic but I dont have the time or staff to implement that


bpaw: And I know that you are still not prepared to offer an opinion on the fact that less than 1,000 subscriber names came out of nearly 3,000 IP addresses.


In the spirit of answering a question I cannot rightly answer I would have to shrug my shoulders and admit I'm clueless on this aspect of your enquiry. In truth I did not even know that. What does this mean? It has fallen short of expectations? Again I am not pinning my hopes on getting rich from this. Ive already explained my motive for involvement