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Hi , i totally agree with cate, if there is a problem with people faking there certs then instead of having all the hassle of getting on line certs and not only traveling to the few clinics that are involved but spending a stuid amount of money to do it this way when i get it for all FREE at my NHS clinic, then maybe we should name and shame the people who are actually faking certs, and thats if there are even any fakers out there? is there any to have been proven to be faking certs??

Why should they get away with it and mess up the system that we already have and the system most people have been using for years.

I will not be using the online cert system,im happy with my NHS SYSTEM, i have never been infected by anyone in the whole 8 years i having been a naughty girl.

I THINK ITS A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY MORE SO FOR MODELS WHO DONT ACTUALLY GET THAT MUCH WORK, I THINK THIS ON LINE CERT SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE RE THINKED ABOUT.

Tammie

Now, if you're lazy like me and can't be arsed to read thru all 137 replies to this thread. I think admin should make this summary reply below sticky on a separate thread


If you take your test from online cert affiliated NHS clinics

your cost:
one time ?150 online cert registration fee + ?30 or whatever each test (your normal NHS charge)

Benefit: You get ?20 extra per g/g or b/g shoots on top of normal fees



If you take your test from online cert affiliated NHS clinics

your cost:
one time ?150 online cert registration fee + ?125 each test (This will vary
from private clinics)

Benefit: You get ?20 extra per g/g or b/g shoots on top of normal fees


working ethics:
models who opt-in to online cert will only work with other opt-ins, similarly opt-out models will only work with other opt-out models.
If you opt-in please don't be reckless in your private live by taking risky unprotected sex with strangers you meet at the pub or whatever. Please be safe and think of your fellow models.

Only producers booking you for work will have right to check your online cert on day of shoot, you give the producer your online cert membership ID prior to shooting and he/she can use this to check your cert status online. If you haven't worked with a producer, they won't know your membership ID so can't check your cert status.

Don't fall for bogus producer booking u for work and asking for your online cert membership ID prior to shooting date then cancelling the shoot after he/she already got hold of your membership ID. Don't fall for this trick

Q:
If I opt-out of online cert does that mean I can't work?

A:
Sure you can, but you can only work with other opt-out models except if you can't find other opt-out models to work with

Clinic xpress will publish weekly or monthly lists of hopefully ever growing private and NHS clinics plugged into the online cert system so make sure you check this list regularly incase your local private or NHS clinic suddenly plug in.

Cate, we've tried that. The NHS seem to be complacent about doing anything where the adult industry are concerned. They have a set way of working which various individuals who exploit to the point of compromising the health of their fellow peers.

If the performing community are ok with this then thats ok then.

This is not a deterrent though to models who turn up to shoots and forget their paperwork or expect to work with crude hand written tests.

The new system would have been a lot more better but if its down to cost and people dont want it then I cant see it lasting very long.

i tryely dont tink its going to last or even work i really dont. for me its traveling very 3 weeks and the cost. i get tested every 2 weeks and im always in date with cerst and my clinic is 5 ins away xxx and FREE X

Tammie Lee wrote:..."then maybe we should name and shame the people who are actually faking certs, and thats if there are even any fakers out there? is there any to have been proven to be faking certs??"

Yep tried that too but the last time a revelation came about exposed other names that could not be proven.

Case sensitive info like this couldnt be discussed here on BGAFD (nor should it be) and discussed on our own forum with that person discussing with us as well

Tammie Lee wrote:

"i tryely dont tink its going to last or even work i really dont. for me its traveling very 3 weeks and the cost. i get tested every 2 weeks and im always in date with cerst and my clinic is 5 ins away xxx and FREE X"


The system is deigned to cater for opt-ins and opt-out models. Just becoz u decided to opt-out doesnt mean the system should be scrapped. That will be very selfish

If you want to opt-out then stay opt-out and work with other opt-out models

Models are still complaining about cost of the new system, if only they bother to read the full thread which says producers will pay then ?20 extra on top of nornal fees if they provide online certs

Just to make it clear: You will not be penalised for using NHS tests because ultimately a lot of producers using your services wont even care if you have them or not.

Ive seen all manner of excuses and people still working with those whose certs were out of date, forgot their certs, still waiting for results to come through at the taile nd of their previous tests.

Tammie, will be you be ok with it and deal with it coolly if you found you got infected by someone who unwittingly got infected by someone else.

8 years is a very good track record and maybe you were very lucky...But what if?....

Producers have no power to enforce anything but we try to be insrtumental in bringing about change if its asked for. And it was asked for. If people dont want change then thats ok

MODELS:

What are you going to do WHEN you are infected... everyone you worked with 'says' they are clear and keep on working.. then you get treated and come back and get re-infected... and reinfected and reinfected again!

You have no idea who might have tested positive and kept working and infected you? You have no idea how far the infections have spread? You have now idea if you will be reinfected or not? You have no idea if the infection was quarantined or not? Honesty you or any other model 'could' over lap you tests at different clinics, you 'could' then consistently be able to work with a 'valid' certificate, regardless of your sexual health OR your morality.

You have no idea about the sexual health of your co-workers you are completely blind to their moral standing and integrity. Do you honestly trust these people? Do you honestly trust the models they have worked with and have worked with and have worked with? It goes on and on. Do you any idea when it is safe to come back to work?

NO DATABASE IS GOING TO PROTECT YOU FROM CATCHING STI'S OR AIDS!!

However a transparent and centralized database will answer ALL of the questions above and NOT allow any of those 'possibilities' any room to hide. A database WILL be the primary and essential tool in SHUTTING DOWN AND QUARANTINE any serious industry outbreak. You will know what you are getting into on every single set and every single scene.

To me who literally does have to 'get into' the situation.. I need to feel as secure and confident as possible. My preservation and sexual health is of paramount importance to ME.

Think about it and wake up... Can you really answer any of those questions and still consider yourself in a safe work environment?

PLEASE DO NOT TAKE UNNECESSARY RISKS WITH HEALTH! BE IT YOURS OR ANYONE ELSE'S!

If this system is not supported by the UK models then the UK adult industry will stay exactly where it is. There will be less and less new talent and those who do care will be pushed out of the danger of the UK to overseas. The industry and quality will overall suffer and never progress.

If this system is embraced then we can stop wasting valuable energy on arguing the value of our health and concentrate on developing our production quality and talent pool. More safety to me means more sexy beautiful people having sex on camera.

Just my thoughts... once again.

Keni

I would love to know what producers are willing to only work with models who have onlie certs?? this i would love to see.

I have shot with many producers and models over 8 years, ive never had a problem with certs and im a hard worker so im sure if one of these producers are using thiss system and asked me to work and i told them i dont use the online system.... im pretty sure they would still book me even more so if i have woked with thm and the gg model or the bg model in the past on more than one shoot. WITH MY PAPER CERTS

The opt in opt out thing was already in effect with some models .

Notice there are some regualr names of the last two years have disappeared. Nearly all of them I spoke to were fed up of catching stds.

Some crossed over to escorting and others just left quietly knowing that our business is a tough one to please everybody....and it is.

If models ever want to bring about change on this scale then they know they can count on UKAP for support in this area but meanwhile some of us will continue with business as usual assuming everyone is a ok the way things are.

The scheme comes online January. its up to people whether they support it or not.