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The Voice of Madness returns.

So it does...welcome back!

Sam Slater wrote:

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No Sam.

My point (and indeed that of others, and I thought I'd been quite clear about it) was that the whole media circus over the dying-of-cancer thing was immoral / tasteless / crass etc.


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But Sam, like I said - that's NOT really the main subject of this thread!

And if you are in fact talking there about the media-circus-while-at-death's-door thing, I have to disagree with you because I think very few (apart from maybe other vacuous nonebrities cut from similar cloth, like Katie Price or Kerry Katona) would have put on the sort of tasteless spectacle that Goody put on.

Take Wendy Richard (just as one recent similar case). Like JG, she knew that she had an imminent appointment with her maker. She knew that she was on the way out, and so she got hitched to her partner just like JG did.

But there the similarities end. Because she did it in private, low key and away from the cameras. No OK! exclusives for her, no media scrums, no bleating on about wanting to 'see her family alright' etc.

She could have gone down that route had she wanted to - but credit to her she chose to exercise a bit of dignity and keep it all private.

Got to shoot now, bit pushed for time tonight.

- Eric

This week the celeb trash mags are continuing to make more and more money out of Goody's death - with the full support of Goody's "family". I also noticed, on Ceefax this morning, that there is a 'book of condolense' that people can sign for Goody and pay tribute to her life. Just think, all the things Goody did in her life. Like when she said to Shilpa Shetty in the Big Brother house "your head is stuck so far up your arse you can smell your own shit!" and other such wonderful sentiments Goody was known for throughout her life! People can perhaps make reference to these in the condolense book. Or how about Goody's policy of whoring out her children to make money, getting married to that twat she married in order to make MORE MONEY, lying about how she worte books when she couldn't write her own name, and so on.

All these things could be included in the messages people write in Goody's book of condolense! I'm surprised her "husband" and mother aren't charging people to sign it. How about ?10.00 a time. If they fill up many volumes, Goody's jailbird "husband" and her vile mother could set their sights on a nice sports car each! Kerching.... The tills are ringing... I agree with what someone said earlier about how Wendy Richard could have done this but was too dignified, like most people are, to do it. Goody did it as she was just trashy to the end - she apparently had ?3m to her name beforehand (I originally thought it was ?2m but have heard ?3m this week). Why didn't Wendy Richard, one of Britain's best known and best loved TV stars of the last 40 years get a tribute from the Prime Minister? Why did that vile pig Goody get one and not Wendy Richard? I think Gordon Brown has cheapened the office of Prime Minister by giving a tribute to this reptile! Never happened before in our history that someone like that would be praised by the PM.

Looks like the "Jade Goody numberplate" auction has been removed from eBay.

- Eric

Lol the seller was probably getting a mix of death threats from irate Ebayers inbetween getting inundated with bids from Slater and the like ...

So after 100 or so posts slagging JD off you're not saying she wasn't the point of this whole thread? I can understand that and I apologize for coming to the wrong conclusion, Eric.

What I can't understand, though, is that if she wasn't this thread's main subject, and that it was just the media circus people were complaining about, then why have most on here spent 90% of their fingers' time typing vitriol directed at Mrs Goody? The media's been mentioned, sure, but not to the extent Jade has. Hmmmmm....

[quote]And if you are in fact talking there about the media-circus-while-at-death's-door thing, I have to disagree with you because I think very few (apart from maybe other vacuous nonebrities cut from similar cloth, like Katie Price or Kerry Katona) would have put on the sort of tasteless spectacle that Goody put on.[/quote]

Yet you admitted further up the thread that 'Even someone like JG has enough brains not to turn their nose up at a massive wad of cash when it's presented to them on a platter (the proverbial "gift horse").'. That reply was a retort to a post of mine where I was trying to explain to you that she did the right thing in taking the money and giving herself, and her kids, a better life. Your answer gave the impression that you also thought she did the right thing.....now you've swung the other way, again, which is confusing.

To clarify your feelings on Jade's decision making, can you just pick what you think is the right choice from the paths below:

1. Jade is unintelligent and talentless. She gets offered the opportunity to give herself a better life by letting someone ghost-write her autobiography and making a daft fitness dvd. She accepts and can afford a bigger house in a better neighbourhood, as well as send her kids to a better school which, along with the money, gives them a better chance in life.

2. Jade is unintelligent and talentless. She gets offered the opportunity to give herself a better life by letting someone ghost-write her autobiography and making a daft fitness dvd. She declines and goes back to the council estate she grew up on, bringing her kids up in a poorer, crime-ridden, violent area and just crosses her fingers that they ignore the peer pressures of gang culture and crime.

There you go, Eric. Just pick one and then we'll both know where we stand instead of dragging the debate on and on. For the record, in case you hadn't realised already, I pick #1.

As for Wendy Richard, well she also did what she thought was right for her. I don't think you can point out which is the more moral way to die. A very public death of a very private one? I think it's just personal choice rather than there being a real answer. Mrs Richards grew up in a time when there wasn't this celebrity culture we have today so you can't really compare the two. Where they are alike, though, is that they followed the paths they thought best to achieve a better life. Wendy Richards through her talent in comedy and acting while Jade Goody through her charisma and personality. And before you say Jade had no charisma or personality then I'd point to this thread and the amount of magazines and papers sold with stories of her in them. Ultimately the media and public decide between them who are our personalities and interesting public figures. They may not be to our tastes, of course, but we can't blame them for the masses being interested!

Still not heard from colonel about this 'underclass' business. Is he ducking the question? Ask him when you see him will ya?

Sam I think it is very kind of you to have given Eric multiple choice questions but feel they are a bit limited so have decided to publish some Goody facts for Eric and other forumites to decide if maybe a number 3 has to be added:

JADE GOODY: SOME OF THE FACTS
Jade Cerisa Lorraine Goody (born June 5, 1981) is a British reality television celebrity. As a participant in the 2007 series of Celebrity Big Brother, she was at the centre of an international furore arising from bullying and alleged racism directed towards one of her fellow housemates, the Indian actress Shilpa Shetty.

Background
Goody's grandfather Winston Coyne arrived in England from the West Indies in 1956. He worked for London Transport and met Jacqueline Goody at a party two years later. In 1961 their first child Ingrid was born, followed in 1963 by Goody's father Andrew. When the children were still little, Winston left to live with his family in New York. He kept in touch, but two years after leaving was killed in a road accident. Andrew met Jackiey Budden, when he was 16 and she was 21.

Jade Goody was born in 1981 in Bermondsey, London. Her parents had an on-off relationship and had split for good by the time Goody was a toddler. When she was five, Goody appeared in the pilot episode of ITV's London's Burning (sometimes referred to as the 'Telemovie' episode). Interviews with some of her high school classmates have revealed accusations of bullying when Goody was younger, with Goody expelled from Bacon's College, Rotherhithe, after biting part of the ear off one of her fellow classmates. Goody worked as a dental nurse before coming to public attention in 2002 when she was a contestant in the third series of the UK version of Big Brother.

Career

Big Brother 2002
Goody made her first television appearance on Big Brother in 2002. During her time in the house, Goody threatened to "deck" (knock out) fellow contestant Adele Roberts who claimed that Goody had a verruca on her foot. Jade Goody's general knowledge wasn't that great. Goody thought that the British city of Cambridge was in London. On being told that Cambridge is in East Anglia, or rather Goody's "East Angular", she assumed that this was abroad. Goody also believed that Saddam Hussein was a boxer, and that Sherlock Holmes was the inventor of the toilet.

Tabloid newspapers took an instant dislike to Jade. Within the first 10 days of the start of the series, The Sun had nicknamed her Miss Piggy, installed her as favourite for eviction and branded her a "big mouth". TV presenter Graham Norton was an early driving force in the campaign against Jade with monologues in his chat show focused on her rather porcine features ("Jade is afraid to eat fruit. She thinks if the others see her with an apple in her mouth, they'll roast her").

The hate campaign launched against Jade had so much momentum that The Sun branded her Public Enemy No 1 . Jade was hot favourite to be evicted and yet on July 8th, The Sun published an article in which it accused Big Brother makers of toning down its coverage to show a quieter Jade ? and a bitchy Adele Roberts 'amid fears Jade may crack up or try to sue when she leaves the show and learns how viewers see her.

Channel 4 denied that they manipulated the coverage of Jade to keep her in the house Nevertheless, that week many opinion forming Channel 4 TV shows (RI:SE, SO Graham Norton) made a U-turn and campaigned to keep Jade in the house and evict Adele. Graham Norton began to champion Jade saying "Jade may be a stupid pig but she?s by far the most entertaining person in the house - and at least she?s not evil like Adele. The following week, Jade was saved from eviction again when nominations were cancelled and PJ was evicted after having to draw lots.

As a result of the media's change in attitude towards Jade (The Sun eventually followed suit), public opinion changed towards Goody.

Graham Norton, who just a month before had cruelly campaigned against Jade, now backed her to win the show. He told The Sun "I?d love it if Jade Goody won. She?s really put the work in while the other three have played the game to a certain extent. She has cried and screamed her way through and she?s been by far the most entertaining person in there."

Jade eventually stayed in the Big Brother house until the final weekend and finished in 4th place.

Media career
With the help of her agent John Noel, Goody established a brand image that portrayed herself as "a lovable bimbo" who had "won over BB fans with her ditzy quotes". Jade became a role model to her loyal fanbase , who admired her for "being herself" in respect of the way she lives her life.

Goody regularly appears in celebrity, trivia, and gossip-oriented magazines such as heat and OK! and has earned an estimated ?1.5 million fortune from other reality shows.

She finished 2002 being voted 4th worst person in Britain in the poll 100 Worst Britons. However, by 2006 Goody ranked #25 in a poll by Heat for the most influential person in the world, although when she mentioned this fact on Celebrity Big Brother 2007 she mispronounced "Influential" and admitted that did not know the meaning of the word.

On 2 May 2006, HarperCollins published Goody's autobiography titled Jade: My Autobiography. The actual author of the autobiography was Lucie Cave, Features editor of Heat and author of The World's Stupidest Celebrities. On 25 January 2007 HarperCollins announced that they have cancelled the scheduled publication of the paperback version of her biography "as a result of Goody's alleged racially motivated bullying of fellow contestant Shilpa Shetty". The author and agent support this decision.

In June 2006 she launched her own perfume Shh..., which went into the top three best selling perfumes in the UK on its release. Until November 2006 Goody also contributed a weekly column to NOW magazine. However, she admitted on her show Just Jade that she gave her opinions on things to the writers and they wrote the column for her.

Television
Her television appearances since Big Brother 3 have been mainly reality television productions which include What Jade Did Next, Celebrity Wife Swap, alongside Charles Ingram, Celebrity Driving School and the BBC's Celebrity Weakest Link. Goody went Back To Reality on Five with former Big Brother contestants Nick Bateman and Craig Phillips in 2004. She also appeared in Channel 4's Big Brother Panto at Christmas 2004. In September 2005 she opened a beauty salon, Ugly's, in Hertford. The preparations for opening the salon were filmed for a LIVINGtv series, Jade's Salon. The salon recently closed for unknown reasons, although she denied being in debt

On March 25, 2006 Goody won Celebrity Stars in Their Eyes. Soon after, she appeared on the ITV1 makeover show 60 Minute Makeover, redecorating her mother Jackiey's house. In July 2006, Goody appeared on The Friday Night Project as the guest host. Many of the skits made reference to her Big Brother experience and her perceived ignorance. Goody competed in Celebrity Mastermind in 2006 for Sport Relief. Her specialist subject was EastEnders, but she was beaten by Chantelle Houghton, whose specialist subject was Coronation Street.

In late 2006, Goody's latest series, Jade's PA, was aired on LivingTV, and she took part (as a member of Dara O'Briain's team) in a recording of A Question of Comedy, due to be broadcast as part of 2007's Comic Relief appeal although the BBC since took the decision to drop the sketch from Red Nose Comedy Night fearing that its inclusion might detract from the event's fund raising potential.

Fitness video
On 26 December 2006, Goody released a new fitness video Jade's Shape Challenge. In the video, she claimed that the regime of a healthy new diet and fitness regime helped her shed two stone in ten weeks and drop two dress sizes. On 10 January 2007 The Sun newspaper revealed that Goody had undergone a procedure called Smart Liposuction at the Leicester surgery of cosmetic surgeon Dr Kam Singh, the same surgeon who had given her mother a new body on the LIVINGtv/Five series "Extreme Makeover."

Charity
2006 London Marathon
Goody signed up for the 2006 London Marathon. She did not finish the course, collapsing after 21 miles (34 km) of the 26.2 miles (42.195 km) and was taken to The Royal London Hospital to recover overnight. The Sun newspaper reported that the final action of the "panic-stricken" Goody was shouting "I'm dying, I'm dying". Before the race, Goody described her preparations to TV chef, Gordon Ramsay (who completed the course), "I've been eating curry and Chinese and drinking." Afterwards, she explained why she could not finish the race:

"I don't really understand miles. I didn't actually know how far it was going to be. I'll be honest, I didn't take it seriously which is really bad of me because there's people out there who actually want to do the marathon. I didn't realise how much commitment the marathon was. I had four training sessions, that's all I did. At most I could run half an hour on a treadmill."

Goody raised ?565.20 for her selected charity, the NSPCC.

Return to Big Brother
On 5 January 2007 Goody, her mother Jackiey Budden, and her boyfriend Jack Tweed entered the Big Brother House for Celebrity Big Brother 2007. Due to a task set for them, they became 'masters' of the house along with three others, while the rest of the housemates were made to act as servants to them. As a result of this fellow housemate Donny Tourette left early by scaling over the wall, saying "Mate, I'm out of here. I'm not f***ing waiting hand and foot on some f***ing moron and her family. I'm out."

On 7 January 2007, Ken Russel asked to leave the house after arguing with Goody and her family. In a statement he said: "I don't want to live in a society riddled with evil and hatred". On the same day, Goody's grandparents entered the Big Brother house for a meal and left shortly after.

Bullying and alleged racism
During her stay in the house, Goody was accused of racially bullying Indian housemate Shilpa Shetty and for hypocrisy because of her support for an anti-bullying charity. A number of complaints were received by British broadcasting regulator Ofcom about the behaviour of Jo O'Meara, Danielle Lloyd and Jade Goody towards Shetty. By 20 January, Ofcom received a record of more than 50,000 complaints from members of the public, while Channel 4 received an additional 3,000 complaints.

In an interview following her eviction, Jade admitted there was racial bullying in the Big Brother house, but stated that she was not a racist person. Among Goody's comments were: "I've seen how she goes in and out of people's arseholes", as well as suggesting Shetty "makes [her] skin crawl". The only comments uttered by Goody which offer evidence that her bullying may have contained a racial element, however small, was when, in a back-biting moment "alone" with Danielle, Jade referred to Shilpa, whose surname she did not know, as 'Shilpa Daroopa, Shilpa Fuckawala, Shilpa Poppadom' and later imitated her Indian accent.

Social commentator and former Celebrity Big Brother contestant Germaine Greer believes that the alleged racial overtones are actually examples of stupidity. She wrote "I can switch Shilpa off. The people in the house with her haven't got that option. The problem is that most of the housemates are too dim to convey what a pain in the ass Shilpa is without appearing to persecute her."

As a result of the controversy, some Asian journalists have suggested that Jade Goody has opened a wider Racism debate within UK society. Tommy Nagra, ex-head of the BBC's Asian programming unit, has said that the subsequent public debate surrounding Jade Goody's, Danielle Lloyd's and Jo O'Meara's actions "can only be a positive thing". Their behaviour has created an international outcry gaining heavy coverage in the Indian media. Gordon Brown, the British Chancellor of the Exchequer visiting India at the time, condemned the programme on the grounds that he is against anything which might damage the perception that Britain is a country of tolerance In a statement on 17 January, Channel 4 defended the programme against charges "of overt racism or racial abuse". On 18 January, The Carphone Warehouse suspended its sponsorship of Celebrity Big Brother with immediate effect over the alleged racism. The company's chief executive, Charles Dunstone, said in a statement: "Our concern has rapidly mounted about the broadcast behaviour of individuals within the Big Brother house.". On the same day "The Perfume Shop" announced they had withdrawn Jade Goody's perfume, Shh... from their stores. Pharmacy chain Boots and Debenhams department stores followed suit and also pulled the perfume from their shelves.

Eviction and reaction
On 19 January, Goody was evicted from the Big Brother house when she received 82% of the vote. It has been alleged that Channel 4, in contradiction with their own rules, told Goody hours before her eviction that her behaviour within the house had damaged her 'girl next door' reputation .

Channel 4 at first denied this was the case, but later statements imply that an intervention had occurred, but only to make contestants "realise that what they have said has been misconstrued in the house". The idea, a Channel 4 spokesman said, was to allow the housemates "to explain themselves" to their fellow inmates.

For the sake of Goody's personal security and state of mind, Big Brother makers Endemol banned crowds and press from gathering outside the house to greet Goody and cancelled a press conference with her.

PR Guru Max Clifford, who has since been hired by Shilpa, stated that Goody now faces an "uphill struggle" to rescue her career, and that "Ironically, the programme that made her could be the programme that breaks her." An editorial in tabloid newspaper The Sun said Goody's previous image was "a meticulously manufactured lie. [Goody] had shown herself to be a vile, pig-ignorant, racist bully consumed by envy." Columnist and TV Presenter Lorraine Kelly said she hoped Goody would "now disappear into obscurity. There really has to be an end to the celebration of stupidity and ignorance."

Goody's grandmother Jacqueline, 69, said: "What she said to Shilpa was unforgivable. Her dad was mixed race and her grandfather black. They?d be ashamed".

Mayor of London Ken Livingstone told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "I think everyone is delighted that we got the result we did last night. Otherwise the image of Britain across India, which is the second-biggest investor in London after America now, would have been really damaged and it would have done a lot of harm to people's jobs."

Reconciliation efforts
Jade Goody met with her PR and agent before being briefed on questions for her interview with BB host Davina McCall. Their TV chat was then filmed half an hour before it was screened.. In the interview afterwards with Davina McCall, Jade Goody stated that she was "disgusted with [her]self" after watching a video of the alleged bullying. British Tabloid newspapers subsequently described this as carefully stage-managed.

Goody said her behaviour towards the Bollywood star had been the biggest mistake of her life and she said she is concerned about her family receiving abuse from the public. Goody said she needed psychological help and that she would only have herself to blame if it spelt the end of her career.

In all of her post Celebrity Big Brother interviews, Goody has promised to donate her ?50,000 fee from CBB and her ?50,000 interview fee from the News of the World plus any other fees gained as a result of CBB to charity causes nominated by her and Shetty. She reportedly explained, "I don't want to make a penny from this. I don't want it. I don't want money from something that is wrong. I'm going to give it all to charity." During a second post-eviction interview with Channel 4 on spin-off show Big Brother's Little Brother Goody cried heavily, and The Sun says that according to sources Jade Goody is 'suicidal'. One tabloid newspaper has reported that Goody's agent John Noel (also the agent of Davina McCall, the Big Brother presenter) plans to sign up Shetty for deals worth over ?1 million when she leaves the BB house. He will stage-manage a reunion between Goody and Shetty.

More recently, however, "The Guardian understands that the Shetty family has now appointed the celebrity publicist Max Clifford to represent Shilpa."

Jade Goody had been extended an "open" invitation to visit India by the India Tourism Office to clear her misconceptions about the country. The office took out a full-page advertisement in British newspapers last week "welcoming" her to India to "experience" its "healing nature" and to "cleanse your stresses away." It was regarded as a joke until Jade Goody decided to apply for an Indian visa immediately after being evicted from the show.

Aftermath
Jade Goody has been living in fear following her comments on Celebrity Big Brother, and alleged that her Harlow home windows were smashed , but Essex police reported to the media that only one window was cracked. Goody and her mother were contacted by police investigating their alleged racism during Celebrity Big Brother. On 30 January The Sun reported that Jade Goody had collapsed at home on Sunday 28 January, and had entered The Priory clinic.

Personal life
Jade Goody had a stormy, on and off relationship with TV presenter and fellow reality television regular Jeff Brazier, the father of her two sons, Bobby Jack, born a month early on June 6, 2003 and Freddie, born in September 2004.

She then had a relationship with former Aston Villa F.C. footballer Ryan Amoo from January 2005, but broke up with him in June 2005 among rumours of wanting to get back together with Brazier. On 4 October 2005 Goody was arrested on suspicion of shoplifting a ?16 denim jacket from an Asda supermarket in Harlow, Essex. She was later released after police decided there was not enough evidence to charge her. In 2006 She was also accused of punching a 51 year old grandmother in a movie theatre. No charges were pressed.

Her current boyfriend is Jack Tweed, a former model who is training to become a football agent. The couple have had a series of tabloid reported public arguments, including one about an alleged affair Tweed had with model Anna Houghton.

She married him. She Died. The End ... or is it?? (I added this part!!)

Now do we need somebody to knock up that third multiple choice question, either that or you are completely missing the point of this thread and just blindly arguing to stir the proverbial shite ... cast your votes fellow forumites:
1) Sam is correct
2) Sam is wrong
3) Sam has given a very limiting choice and doesn't seem to grasp the whole nature of this thread at all so maybe a third multiple choice question would be fairer.

Sam Slater wrote:

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Oh Sam. What am I going to do with you?

The issue of this thread was the whole tasteless, crass Jade Goody "I'm dying ... send money" media circus. NOT Jade Goody "earning" (I use the term loosely) money from ghost-written autobiographies etc.

Clear now? See the difference?

Really - it's not that difficult to work out, surely? I'm not typing in Hungarian, after all.

I could spend the next half hour responding to the rest of your post, but to be honest - I just can't be arsed any more. We're obviously at cross purposes here. So you just go your way and I'll go mine on this one.

Perhaps we can "get it on" again more constructively in another thread somewhere down the line. But I think max_t knows where I'm coming from.

- Eric

PS: Here you go, Sam.

As a fan, I'm sure you're keen to pay your respects and post a tribute:



- Eric