Why is the UK so full of dicks!
Re: UK has superficiality disease (superficialitis)
If I sounded as if I were pointing the finger at you as if you were a lazy corrupt middle class social climber it was never the intension. When I started this conversation I wasn't pointing the finger at anyone in particular on this forum. I was stating the sections in society who're most at fault for the state of the country as it is. Although, my reactions to some of the things you said were intended to convey that you thought the sun shinned out of all the upper classes' backsides, whereas all the fault lay at the feet of the chavs and other poor. There's scum at both ends of the scale, both rich and poor, but the state of the country should be down to the actions, or inactions of the people who're so-called "in charge". If you don't invest in your country and only think about short term profits the easy way through cheap unskilled labour, as does our governments (both present and past), then the future will be a real mess. If you (not you you) don't invest in the company you run through skilled training, decent wages and decent working conditions, then you don't deserve to be in business.
Re: Why is the UK so full of dicks!
Yes that will be fine Marty, I have worked in the high tech industry since leaving school so you don't need to tell me about all that Jazz, but I was thinking more along the line of all my mates who are stuck working in the local factories who really didn't have much choice in the matter and were and still are just thankful that they still have a job to go to on a Monday morning.
As for your comment about moving to where there is actually better paid work, I don't see that being viable are you suggesting that everybody ups sticks and ventures down to London?? Fuck that would leave whole chunks of Britain laid to waste my friend ... why not come to Scotland and other Job Blackspots and see the lack of opportunities first eh??
Oh and Jobs for Life do still exist you just gotta get on your local councils payroll or better still have a relative who can recommend you.
As for your comment about moving to where there is actually better paid work, I don't see that being viable are you suggesting that everybody ups sticks and ventures down to London?? Fuck that would leave whole chunks of Britain laid to waste my friend ... why not come to Scotland and other Job Blackspots and see the lack of opportunities first eh??
Oh and Jobs for Life do still exist you just gotta get on your local councils payroll or better still have a relative who can recommend you.
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Re: Why is the UK so full of dicks!
Heh heh, I knew by your posts that you were a boss of some kind! !grin!
You guys do you day at work and go home to relax
I used to go home and dread the next day of aggro.
employees work from 9 to 5
I wish. Even when I was 16 I was doing longer ours than that at about ?3 an hour!
you will find that bosses work far longer, taking their work home in the evenings and at weekends
You're quite unlike my old boss when I was a teenager then. He was more like Prescott is now, a lazy fat git who sat in his office all day (he did less hours than everyone else) giving people grief. We even worked our asses off to get him a new company car. And all we got for it was a cheap crappy dinner in the canteen and more grief! Whinge moan, whinge moan....to the point I myself had to hide from the git when I saw him going to his car (the one we earned for him!) in the evenings, just so I didn't get a hostlility from him!
In the early days when money was tight, my employee's got paid but I didnt.
Sounds like you're one of the few then. But do you offer decent respect to your employees? The few decent bosses out there act like a mate to their staff, rather than like something out of Full Metal Jacket.
You guys do you day at work and go home to relax
I used to go home and dread the next day of aggro.
employees work from 9 to 5
I wish. Even when I was 16 I was doing longer ours than that at about ?3 an hour!
you will find that bosses work far longer, taking their work home in the evenings and at weekends
You're quite unlike my old boss when I was a teenager then. He was more like Prescott is now, a lazy fat git who sat in his office all day (he did less hours than everyone else) giving people grief. We even worked our asses off to get him a new company car. And all we got for it was a cheap crappy dinner in the canteen and more grief! Whinge moan, whinge moan....to the point I myself had to hide from the git when I saw him going to his car (the one we earned for him!) in the evenings, just so I didn't get a hostlility from him!
In the early days when money was tight, my employee's got paid but I didnt.
Sounds like you're one of the few then. But do you offer decent respect to your employees? The few decent bosses out there act like a mate to their staff, rather than like something out of Full Metal Jacket.
Re: Why is the UK so full of dicks!
Same here. Very much so. Now I'm picky, a bit of a mercenary, you might say. Only do what I want to do, in the right working conditions (that includes treatment) and for the right pay.
Trouble with Marty, I think, is that he's too honest and I dare say, a little naive about what other company bosses are like. Being that he owns his own business, he doesn't have to put up with the same crap as we do. Yeah, maybe working for him would be okay, but he's in the minority.
Trouble with Marty, I think, is that he's too honest and I dare say, a little naive about what other company bosses are like. Being that he owns his own business, he doesn't have to put up with the same crap as we do. Yeah, maybe working for him would be okay, but he's in the minority.
Re: Why is the UK so full of dicks!
Yes, those were very well paid skilled blue collars getting too greedy for their own good, holding the bosses to ransom. Now that the shoe's on the other foot, the bosses can pick and choose what country in which to base their companies. No matter how profitable the factory is in the UK, the car company can just pick up sticks and go somewhere where they can be even more profitable. Whether or not that would've happened without the 70's strikes is debatable though. The strikes weakened the car industry enough so the few car bosses that were left in the UK could pick and chose what they want to do now. It might not have been so easy if it wasn't for the strikes, but I still think the car bosses would've been tempted to move production to the Third World all the same. There's that greed thing again.
Re: Why is the UK so full of dicks!
'Cause the the government and bosses (except Marty and a few others, of course! !grin! ) are addicted to cheap labour and short term profits, maybe?
I don't doubt that these people work hard and probably work for less
But there shouldn't be a need for them. If employers were prepared to pay a decent living wage in decent human working conditions, then most native Brits would be more prepared to do the work in question.
but what about the people who were born here and grew up here
We're cast aside in favour of Third World people, that's what happens.
there's simply no work out there
Yes there is, but it's either priced out of range of the average Joe, or it's stuff I wouldn't subject our dog to.
now why can't they give people from this country regardless of their financial background a grant to train in this country to a high standard so they can practise as dentists
I've said the same about the training I wanted, but their answer was, "It costs too much". But as I've said, it's costing them a LOT more to keep me on sickness than it would to train me and get me in a career I can do. Not only that, but they'd get the taxes from my employment too! But as I've said before, with the government and (most) employers, it's more a case of wanting to have maximum profits at minimum effort and cost. Doesn't seem to work though. If you don't invest in training for skilled jobs all you eventually get are monkeys.
I don't doubt that these people work hard and probably work for less
But there shouldn't be a need for them. If employers were prepared to pay a decent living wage in decent human working conditions, then most native Brits would be more prepared to do the work in question.
but what about the people who were born here and grew up here
We're cast aside in favour of Third World people, that's what happens.
there's simply no work out there
Yes there is, but it's either priced out of range of the average Joe, or it's stuff I wouldn't subject our dog to.
now why can't they give people from this country regardless of their financial background a grant to train in this country to a high standard so they can practise as dentists
I've said the same about the training I wanted, but their answer was, "It costs too much". But as I've said, it's costing them a LOT more to keep me on sickness than it would to train me and get me in a career I can do. Not only that, but they'd get the taxes from my employment too! But as I've said before, with the government and (most) employers, it's more a case of wanting to have maximum profits at minimum effort and cost. Doesn't seem to work though. If you don't invest in training for skilled jobs all you eventually get are monkeys.