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When you have sons and daughter's of chavs,themselves the products of thatchers society,being force fed tripe through the media on a daily basis,is it any wonder the country is becoming morally bakrupt.

[quote]Sam Slater wrote:
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ERIC REPLIES:
Of course not Sam. Even someone like JG has enough brains not to turn their nose up at a massive wad of cash when it's presented to them on a platter (the proverbial "gift horse").[/quote]

Nice one. So you agree that she did the right, sensible thing? Something most people would do under her circumstances? Glad that's sorted.

[quote]But let's not kid ourselves that she "carved out" a living through any form of talent, skill, intelligence and hard graft - which is the trap that you appear to have fallen into.[/quote]

Not really fallen into any traps, Eric. I know fuck all about her. What I'm pointing out is that she's not a bad person just because she took advantage of a little fame to earn herself a few quid (I don't need to know anything about her to come to my conclusion). Isn't that admirable? Don't we all want to better ourselves in some way; would you agree that as long as it's not illegal, or immoral then there's nothing wrong with it?

I can only think of one excuse you could give for scorning Jade Goody and that's that she was knowingly taking money from gullible people who she knew would buy daft fitness videos and biographies that are ghost written. Now, if you were picky then you could say that was a little immoral, but if she's as daft as you say then she probably never thought of it like that and was unaware it was wrong (if it was). If that still doesn't excuse her then I'd have to inform you that that's the capitalist model we've all adopted anyway, and JD is certainly not one that should be picked out. Capitalists thrive on the gullible and naive. That's why advertising works! Would you tell a pornographer that he's immoral for making money out of naive young girls who'll resort to shafting men older than their fathers for a bit of cash? Is Jade Goody any worse than that? Is she worse than your average salesman who cleverly talks a pensioner into a belief that she needs a new hoover; or a mortgage lender who persuades a couple of first time buyers to go for the mortgage he knows they'll not be able to afford 24 months down the line? Why are the Jade Goodys and Katie Prices held with more contempt just because they sold a few books without having a degree in journalism?

I seriously can't see what she's done wrong here. She's followed a path she thought best for her and her family and hasn't harmed anyone in the process. A bit like you leaving the UK for Germany ? you did what you thought best, am I right?

We're all entitled to earn a living no matter what talent we possess. As long as we harm as few people as possible on the way then I'm all for it.

Hi Crofter

The reason whyall those things are in the works is because the media has everybodys attention and it is at bursting point to make loads of money...In credit crunch time. thats a huge plus.

It makes me giggle how much we talk about her when if anyone didnt care she wouldve faded away into obscurity...

Even in death she is still a legend...Hell yeah Im impressed.

Not bad for osmeone who has no talent and all the other criticisms made of her...She still made a ton of money and Max Clifford is a fucking genius!

Sorryo twind you fellas up but its true if you think about it and put your own prejudices aside. perhaps thats why you are all steaming about it too and I dont blame you. You work hard and go unrecognised for it but this reminds me of a saying.

Life comes down to a few moments and (for JG) this was one of them and she rode it HAAARRD!

So keep stewing if you like guys. its not making a blind bit of difference. The ???'s are still coming in on the juggernaut express.

Step aside now. thats a good fellow..LOL

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Is her fame and fortune deserved? No. She was a talent vacuum, a very nasty person, a bigot and as thick as pigshit.

But wouldn't anyone else have taken the cash also though? Of course they would. No-one's arguing with you on that point - so it's a bit of a mystery why you keep harping on about it.

But that was never the main issue, Sam.

The reason why she's getting slated here is for the way she whored herself out to the media and used her kids as props in this whole nauseating circus, and the fact that in the UK 2009 there's now big money to be made from someone's suffering. It's the whole tasteless "I'm dying ... send money" spectacle that has got people's hackles up.

That and the fact that in the flash of a chequebook, she was miraculously transformed from a national embarrassment to some kind of "people's heroine" of almost Diana-esque proportions.

Yes you're right - her conduct wasn't illegal.

But was it moral? No.

Was it a good thing? No.

Was it about "raising awareness about cancer"? No - any benefit there was purely incidental and accidental.

Was it about "providing for her kids"? No (don't fall for the propaganda, Sam!)

Was it about sheer monetary greed? Absolutely.

Is the whole thing a sad reflection of the sorry state of UK society and a sad indictement of the whole, crass instant-fame 'celeb' culture? You betcha.


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We know, OEJ. You keep telling us. We get the message.

Maybe you and Sam ought to get together for a JG tribute love-in some time? You both seem to be great admirers !bow!.

- Eric

Reggie Perrin wrote:

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You always were full of shit, Reggie.

- Eric

Sorry, Eric but you're not making sense. On one hand you admit that everyone else would have done the same and on t'other you're saying what she did was immoral. Doing the maths that makes everyone immoral then (or at least potentially so).

You keep telling me how thick/talentless she was but that was never MY point. MY point was to point out she didn't do much wrong and that most people in her shoes would have acted in the exact same way. You've pretty much admitted this so there's not much else to say.

I disagree with you about it being about the money and not raising awareness or her kids ? at least from her perspective anyway. She was dying of cancer and knew she wouldn't last the year out. Dunno about you but I think she'd have given up every penny she'd earned in her life just to watch her kids grow up. I don't think greed played any part in this, though it no doubt will have from the media's point of view. That's a media problem though, not a Jade Goody one and I'd not have so much of an issue if everyone saved their vitriol for them.

If you see colonel then tell him I'm still waiting for answers re 'the underclass'. He's avoided that one so far and I really want to know both his and his party's definition.

Cheers.

While we're talking about people being as thick as pigshit....

How long have you been posting on here now? 4, 5, 6 years? When will you get the hang of replying to the poster you're aiming for rather than sticking your tripe at the end of the thread?

I know you'll not believe me but it's really simple to work out!

Go on, reply and see if you can do it.

This was max_tranmere rovers that caused this you know - well that and Goody Goody Two Chins fucking dying on us ... I wonder if they have Paparazzi and Reality Shows in Hell??