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Re: A Tog to Avoid - Please Read

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:50 pm
by KazB
Oh dear - well there will always be the odd moron that gives the amateurs a bad name - look at it as character building and a learning curve!

I doubt anyone will take much notice of what some silly div is shouting about on twitter. Anyone who has any ounce of professionality would contact you personally to resolve the situation if they had a genuine issue, or use The Uk Adult Producers forum.

Laugh it off and move on :)


Re: A Tog to Avoid - Please Read

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:42 am
by Hugh6821
"an amateur tog last week for a leather fetish website - which, to this date I have no idea the name of."
= an amateur shooting for his private collection.

Nothing wrong with that, that's how most models are going to earn most of their money.


What I really would like to know is how much the tog was going to pay you.

I think the amount would probably explain the reason why you decided to do a another shoot with him despite your experience at the first shoot and despite not knowing the site he was "shooting for", where you were going to shoot, what you were going to shoot, etc.

Re: A Tog to Avoid - Please Read

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:49 am
by Hugh6821
@Hugh6821:

I'd also say that the amount paid is also a dead giveaway for anyone wondering if the tog is a amateur shooting for his own collection (or for that matter a site) or a professional shooting for a site.

A professional is going to want make money from what he shoots.
An amateur has different priorities.

Re: A Tog to Avoid - Please Read

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:13 pm
by PhilipPhotographer
This is the photographer here:

I refrained for saying anything.

16th March Shoot Date
17th March: I texted tiffany asking to cancel next weeks shoot and wrote, I've never been made to feel so low as you made me feel.

I was expecting an apology.

She then wrote on her twitter that I am a D*ck.

I wrote to Satine and told her that.

I paid Satine the correct amount of money.

I said to Tiffany at the end of the shoot, you arrived 10 minutes late and after all the moaning about 5 pairs of boots being from various countries with size 5/6 that they won't fit.
She wouldn't even try them on.

I said so we started filming at 1:50pm until 4:50 pm, so it's 3 hours.

She said "no i did 4 hours so it's 80"

I gave her 80...ok so looking back she didn't get 20 pound fuel. and she didn't mention anything when counting it.

From the start of the shoot, satine and i was waiting for her.

Satine went to do her hair upstairs.

Tiffany knocked on the door, so I being helpful answered the door.

Tiffany looked and then looked away with no smile, no greeting after I said hello.
She spoke "I wasn't expecting you" in a dissapointed tone.

After satine came down and we got into the kitchen, I wanted to give her a 2nd chance and asked her how she was.

She said "tired" I said "oh don't worry we'll do the bed scene after and you can just sleep and satine can do the talking if you want"

So then we go upstairs get the clothes that she was happy to choose.

I say "ok so we're going to do a police scene, so you can wear that if that's ok"

Once back downstairs I said "ok so if you can just go outside the backdoor and knock on the window looking for satine"

She then opened the door said "it's bloody freezing" (5C outside)

I said don't worry you only have to do it quickly if you want.

So she said fine...and knocked on the window like she could barely lift her hand and rolled her eyes looking away from the house.


Next we move inside the kitchen. Now while they were changing upstairs I did over hear them laughing at me and saying I might have aspergers.

So in the living room the camera was on while I was setting up lights in the living room and noticed she pulled a face at me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BvOkvjXpJc Not the part where she looks away at first but right at the end.

So upstairs I let her lie down and sleep and had satine talking.

I said to satine, ok now we'll do a teaser video so just go from the bottom of the bed along her leather pants and onto tiff's back and tell them to join.

Then I say ok switch clothes and we'll do the same with tiff.

Tiff then gets up gets changed and just as I thought we were ready she goes to re-apply lipstick

at this point I was always giving them instructions, maybe I was nervous because I don't have friends and this once a month thing is the only socialising I get.

But I tried as hard as I could. I've worked with Satine for 9 months every 2 to 4 weeks apart. She's never had a problem with me.

OK so ignore the 2nd video when I was silent, I was silent because I was annoyed at the way she talked to me everytime she asked what's next. Mainly in the attitude I've been faced with all day from yawning etc.

I tried Last night again on twitter to ask for an apology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PELoEDOYUVc

Re: A Tog to Avoid - Please Read

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:14 pm
by PhilipPhotographer
Another thing...Milton Keynes...I said this glove shoot would be driving and filming your gloves while you drive and that we'll find somewhere like a park.
This was a last minute shoot because satine couldn't do the girl girl with her.

Re: A Tog to Avoid - Please Read

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:17 pm
by PhilipPhotographer
She got very annoyed on the first shoot because of: 1) Milton Keynes 2) her GPS and basically the cold while dressed head to toe in leather clothes.

We found a park and took pictures next to a buddha and went back to the station.

Re: A Tog to Avoid - Please Read

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:20 pm
by PhilipPhotographer
I paid her 80 pounds in total. I was to pay her 20 pound for petrol but she even said 80 at the end of the day.

Re: A Tog to Avoid - Please Read

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:30 pm
by Hugh6821
@PhilipPhotographer, then I should apologize for my assumptions.

Also, if you only did 3 hours, and it was 20/hr, then 60+20 for the gas, that's 80, so I think you paid what you should.

Re: A Tog to Avoid - Please Read

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:40 pm
by PhilipPhotographer
Yeah but she wanted 4 hours...but anyway I would have walked out the minute that she said what she said but we only had 10 minutes to go to 4:50 so I just bit my tongue.
Actually I was biting my tongue from the beginning but travelling 160 miles, you just try and get through it smiling.

Re: A Tog to Avoid - Please Read

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:42 pm
by Nob3y
Nice to hear the other side of the story.
I did think there was more to this than first said.