GANGBANG QUESTION

[Harry Hardon]

I stopped doing these kind of things when the organisers started asking guys to get certificated and asked for a lot of money towards a product they would eventually sell on the internet.

If the guys were all going to be given a copy of the end product as part of the overall contribution, some would be happy.

However, as Kim said, expecting people to get certs (which takes time as we all know) and then charging them will lower your response.

Also, keep the price reasonable :-

* 10 guys at 100 = ?1000

* One Girl : Say ?400
* Hotel Room : ?150 (if decent)

Profit : ?450 plus anything made on the film

[videokim]

Advertise as a regular event on AW but don't tweet it etc as you will get the wrong publicity e.g. police on your doorstep.

If you charge guys its usually uncerted guys turn up as they are all amateurs etc but if you want certed guys you don't charge these as they have travel, certs & other costs plus they are not charging you for being certed studs.

Choose between paid parties & making films as the two are very different attracting different crowds.

[puretotty]

Thanks for all the input, including the couple of people who emailed me about this, sorry not replied sooner, but been manic with other stuff...

So sorry for sounding like the NOOB, but I thought all these gangbangs were protected sex ? Are you telling me some girl is going to fuck 10 random guys bareback ?

We was looking at protected sex, but oral without... every one seems to be saying it's bareback only ?

[Johnny Hardcore]

Shit no!

All parties are protected sex! The ones advertised like on AW generally are!

[videokim]

All gang bangs we do are with condoms even if you have certs as they are only good on the actual test day but they are still very crucial in keeping infections under control as they are found when people have further tests.

We ask people for their last 3 tests if we ever do bareback on the odd occasions (with couples/girls) & obviously don't work with people who have been out to the States, Eastern Europe or Africa unless they are fully certed & have been back for at least 3 months.

Yes the risk is high on uncerted bukkakes & gang bangs even if they use condoms because of oral/cim/facials/in the eyes as guys are not the best of shots lol!, there have been few cases of infection through unprotected oral in the industry.

I have never caught anything from oral (or anything else) in the 15 years of making movies & the same for girl friends i know & that goes into treble figures...the high risk is always there as it goes with the job,
private unfilmed parties are common practice with uncerted guys among the models amateur & pro but most keep quiet about it because of the stigma some attach to them.

As i said earlier the two terms of filmed gang bang parties are completely different as one is with certed industry studs & the other is with private paying uncerted customers.

[puretotty]

Cool thats what I thought... just wasn't sure due to the way some thing's were being said... thanks for the clarification

[Nob3y]

They usualy are protected fucking but the point is if you have no certed blokes here you shouldnt be doing oral without.
If the girls have certs it makes them null and void if they doing oral without.

[videokim]

If the girls have certs it makes them null and void if they doing oral without.

This is the mockery of certs Nobby, good on the day of the test but not worth a shit really. Me & John have our tests as a preventative so we know if we have caught anything the month before & if this ever happens we could then notify others who had worked with us.

[puretotty]

Ok so your telling me all gangbangs where the guys are non performers, require the guys to have certs ? Cause sorry this is BS...

I have seen plenty of gang bangs where the sex in protected and the oral is without... and there is no mention of the guys having to get certs...

I cant imagine ordinary guys paying ?60-?100 to go to a gangbang, and taking the time to go and get certed, unless I am wrong lol (it happened onece before, in 1976)

[videokim]

No its usually industry guys who get certed up but amateur paying customers rarely get certs...2 different paths to choose from , if the model requires non industry guys to have certs it will be near impossible to charge them as you will find.