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yeah having a playboy bunny tattoo or a tribal band etc doesnt make you alt. Thats why you will find that the majority of girls who do class themselves as alt dont have these kinda tattoos and actually have something that reflects thier alt lifestyle instead.

I love my ink but i don't see myself as alt/scene girl. I plan on having lots more but not for the sake of trying to fit into that catagory.

Love the Killergram Tattoo'd fuck sluts and rock chick shoots though, would love to do them.

Agreed. Finding a UK model without the ugly things is just about impossible.

Miss Harvey Jay
Just had a quick peek at your pics and you look great
We are looking forward to shooting you for the Killergram site ASAP..
In answer to the thread subject, Holly D and Havana Sin have become two of the most popular girls of this year for us and The Ink and Rock Chick sites have been really popular...
At KG we try to reflect everyday British culture and our stats show that ethnic, punk/goth girls are as popular as sexy blondes, the girl next door types, MILF's or babes with that classic Pornstar look..
If a girl is hot then a girl is simply HOT. No matter what category the surfer / producer wants to put her in. And let's face it you don't get much hotter than Holly D..
ANJALI XXX

Thankyou so much Anjali, an honour hearing it from the Boss Lady x
I'm soo looking forward to working with you guys.

Back to the thread, i have a secret fetish for inked up babes (and men!!) Delta & Kerry-lou are friggin beautiful and still would be without tat's.

I'm not for cheap looking tattoo's but i believe that if done with taste they can bring a really unique take to bringing out a person's personality.

Anjali Kara wrote:

> ...If a girl is hot then a girl is simply HOT...
> ANJALI XXX
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Exactly. I notice you don't have any tattoos.

It certainly doesn't stop you from being hot. And neither is it a pre-requisite to you being commercially hot. After all its just ink under the skin. Nothing more.

HarveyJay is also right. Ink is ink. If you're an accountant who just wanted a ManU devil..you're quite clearly not alt. If you're an accountant who doesn't have a tattoo but swings away, cross dresses and lives the cuckold lifestyle (quite happily) then I guess you ARE alt. You have a different lifestyle, you have an interesting dimension to you.

The point I'm making is that the UK tends to shuffle behind the US haycart picking up the odd horse turd to polish and make their own. Often it's a stale old turd useful for nowt.

The thing about the re-hashed 'punk' thing. Well, it's clear to me.

Wouldn't it be nice to see something fresh and new, creative and first hand?

Not some recycled, barnacled pre-digested culture but something really...like...new?

Cut and paste Goth Girl. It's old.

Furthermore...I notice when Shay Hendrix was at LA Direct her alt-ness seemed to just photoshop away!

http://www.ladirectmodels.com/view.php? ... der=female

Seems the US doesn't value the alt factor as much as you'd think.

Exactly,exactly, the present day alt/punk/goth scene...is not unlike the late 70's Rocker/Teddy boy pastiche of early Rock&Roll, bands such as Showaddywaddy, Shakin Stevens and crap such as Grease having completely missed the point of the likes of Little Richard etc. To be honest at their best groups such as the Sex Pistols where just bloody good Rock&Roll bands, nothing more nothing less, but instead of just aping an earlier periods style - they turned simple Rock & Roll into something truly individual and unique to the UK.
You could argue that if the early 1950's where the beginning of modern Rock and Roll,then 1977/78 saw the end of it!

Here endeth my rant!

Well as much as you want to say its a dead scene and alt porn isnt popular etc, the numbers speak for themselves. Sites like Burning Angel, Gods Girls and Suicide Girls are making ALOT of money. Anjali has just said that 2 alt girls, Havana and myself, have been 2 of the most popular on Killergram over the last year and that thier Tattooed Fuck Sluts and Rock Chick sites are doing very well.
And just take a look at lads mags such as Front with cover girls such as Sim-Wise and Vikki Blows and one of Front magazines most popular features is the Alt Girl section. Even in the fashion world, top designers such as Christian Audigier has become very popular with his Ed Hardy clothing line based on Ed Hardy's tattoo designs. All this shows that alt culture is not just popular but still growing in popularity.

You may be right Holly.

I was just making the point that as a genre it's last years bandwagon.

I took a look at your performance on Tattoed Fuck Sluts and to be honest there was no performance. In fact not one single word is spoken.

A true fetish has substance and structure and when it is documented by film or photo there is a depth of message or at least somekind of visual narrative that makes the collected elements of the fetish cohesive.

A tattooed slut having a fuck does not constitute anything of any lasting cultural significance nor does it convey any message about alt sub-culture or community.

I'm not having a go at you or Killergram. I've met Will and discussed his product at length. He has found a winning formula and he does well by it. But he's not out to make social comment of drive fetish subculture.

Suicide Girls is!

It's a brand formed from community that offers alternative lifestyle girls a platform for expression. Contrary to common belief, you don't have to be a goth girl, have tattoos or piercings to be a Suicide Girl - but you do need 'attitude'.

That's the nucleus of my point. None of the sites outside of Suicide Girls managed to show any attitude because they were all about the money. That's why they've dribbled away.

I agree with Schist on this:

...'the most 'alt' thing I can think of is a girl with out tattoos - just about every woman in the UK's got some crappy tattoo somewhere.'

A tattoo is not cut-and-paste attitude. In the fetish industry you need to turn up with much more.