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Mark, May I ask. The film, its for personal use?

I think for ?50, to watch a girl do a toy set for you, its about appropriate, unless you were using the film for more than your own use.
?100 is expected for the bj, but to be honest, the question is. When you can earn more for doing more is this job worth it to the girls. If they have no work on then I suppose it is.

?350 is extremely high considering she was going to do the ?50 toy shoot!?!?!?!
Why was the price going to be over ?500? certs are ?40ish

What right do we have to do that Be Seen Here?

Well as a producer one should be kept informed of such things so as to avoid working with such people or even allowing such people to work with other talent and thereby infecting others.

I'd like to think you share the same feeling of responsibility but by that comment you echo the fact you dont care.

Its comments like yours stating what right do we have is part of the problem in allowing cert fakers to get away with it.

Too many producers claim they have proof but dont share it with other producers...And yes I do have a big mouth and like it that way.

Its a shame not many others do the same instead of making snide comments like what you have done

Also I think producers have a right to be informed as well. We cant convey information to non members because the non member community is so fragmented and fraught with politics and bitch fighting.

Sure not everyone at UKAP is best buddies (as crtics seem to think we are) but at least we can meet over a table then go away back to our own business after.

Mark if I can be blunt. This girl is treating you as if you are a mug punter who is gagging to see her naked.

I know because Ive spoken to girls who tried charging me ?700 and a couple that wanted over 1k....I just tell them they are outside my budget and let em go.

Plenty other girls and couples who will do it and who actually want to do it.

If a girl is charging too much , she doesnt really want to do it anyway.

The way i see it you are not going to get anything better for 2 million pounds than you would have got for ?500

Be Seen Here:

I did say "If anyhting we (UKAP ) were criticised for not hauling her arse over the coals"

it was never our intention to haul anyones arse over the coals as you quite rightly point out "we do not have that power" but when you use the word "big mouth" I take that as a snide comment about me for I am the only person that publicly speaks about UKAP to draw the attention in that there is a producers association that exists.

I dont think anyhting gets done by being quiet and so far, for better or worse, it seems to have worked. There is a bunch of us that have been around since it was formed 5 years ago.

The "haul her arse over the coals" was made by a specific female performer who felt we should have taken it further by really making some kind of example of her by way of publishing a statement rebuking her but in truth UKAP or myself for that matter does not see itself as policing the industries problems because we know there are two sides to stories that can get awfully messy as this particular incident did but as far as Im concerned it was necessary to say to the industry we are tired of people getting away faking their certs and will inform by way of evidence those who commit this act of fraud by reporting it to the producing, performing community.

This sends out a signal to those to refrain from doing this as we are all talking now and instead of making an issue of it we just wont hire you or the performers wont work with you. If amateurs do so unwittingly then there is nothing we can do.

We owe it to the industry, producers and performers but are also careful that innocent people do not get caught up for bitchy co workers. This is easily verified.

Producers and performers are the core of this business and therefore many people withinit agree it has to be dealt with somehow.

I just find it amusing that people rushed to her defence saying how bold she was for coming out without realising the circumstances that unfolded towards that confession.

Fair enough. I am a big mouth though so I dont mind being said as such since Im the only one that really posts up about UKAP on here, much to the members annoyance. !happy!

At least Im not as bad as Kanye West eh!

You are welcome to come to our next meeting and see for yourself what we are all about and see what's going on and whether you want to be a member yourself

Always open to new members

Terry, I dont think your a big mouth mate! I think your absolutely right about the girls taking the pee with asking for stupid money!
At the same time, we must appreciate that these girls are giving there souls to the camera & are working hard.
Decent pay should be given but going back to this origional thread. ?350 is just rediculous, thats full girl boy action figures.
Terry, your also correct in saying that this model was treating Mark as a punter & not a professional.

Hi Terry

The only reason i work with amateurs is that they can't get the coverage i can as a Pro & no other reason, if i worked for the Playboy channel or TVX like they have asked me i know i would lose control of my footage...its just a business thing really. Yes i do say with pride i am an amateur who got lucky, we were there at the start of amateur in the UK so people relate more to us this way. We were once told by a well known icon stay in your class & he is right as its better to be top of the amateur tree than bottom of the glossy Pro scene, you seem to imply that we have a grudge with the Pro scene but its not true as we have many Pro friends. We don't like the injustice sometimes aimed at models, escorts & lesser known producers & say so, our little tiff about condoms was not aimed at you or other Pro producers as its something we have done since day one & its just common sense not an act of war.
As we said to this thread we were only interested in the names of the people so we & our friends can avoid them, as a large percentage of Pro & amateur models escort to make ends meet it would be an endless witchhunt but making a list of esorts whatever level offering bareback to uncerted people needs to be listed.
As for a BJ scene for ?100 its more than reasonable for me & lots of other girls, to many people outprice themselves but soon learn if they want to earn.