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Naomi -

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:01 am
by TheDonkeyWork
... see my post "long overdue" - there isn;t any need to maintain a record of your identifying details. Providing everyone in the industry TRUSTS the organsiation, they don;t need to maintain anything more than an ID number for you that only you woul dhave on, say, a performer ID card.


Re: Attn: All UK models and producers

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:04 am
by TheDonkeyWork
Andy - technology is such today that any clown can knock up a cert using a colour laser printer and a copy of an exisiting, genuine cert...

A TRUSTED (and that's the operative word here - TRSUTED!) organisation that is linked directly to the clinics performing the tests could have the results sent striaght through... that way everyone would know that the test was genuine and not a fake certificate knocled up by the kid next door on his dad's PC.


Re: Attn: All UK models and producers

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:06 am
by Harmony Films
Terry

A great idea, as you know I tried along with Mike & Sandie to get in place a central testing service a few years ago through the Medi Centre with some success, so any extra help, support and back up for performers and Producers is welcome. Shame the UK performers show there lack of treating this as a profession once again by knocking the idea at the start.

Good luck and if I can help in any way give me a buzz.

Jason


Re: Attn: All UK models and producers

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:26 am
by Andy Mann
Yeah Donkey,

And in the same respect, any clown can call himself a 'producer' by buying a URL and knocking up a website on a free template, so I for one would not trust any Tom Dick or Harry with my personal info and the Clinics would never give out this information to anyone but the client (i.e the one being tested)..

As for central testing, this will never work unless the Clinic in question has branches all over the country and charges the lowest rate for testing, as people need it to be convenient, I am lucky as Medilab is on my doorstep but some people aren't and I have often needed an appointment the next day due to the nature of shoots coming up at the last minute and my old cert just being out..

Please try to get the point I am making here, the idea of having up to date ORIGINAL certs, is for the performers benefit and for consent to have unprotected sex..

(and if you have any concern on the day of a shoot as to the validity of the Cert then just get the model to call the clinic and give permission for the health advisor to confirm it is genuine to the producer)

The system of being tested monthly and having up to date certs is sufficient enough if you ask me, as for peoples honesty and integrity Donkey, well that will always be an issue, and really if you are looking at it that way then the cert is only as good as the day it is printed, what is to stop someone going out that night and contracting a disease off cam, then shooting the very next day?

Right on, Jason...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:31 am
by TheDonkeyWork
I've just written a little blog about it and the first thing that really hit me about this thread was the negativity from the (admittedly few) performers who have responded so far... their concern seems to be privacy over health. Well - privacy, whilst it can never be guaranteed (and ironically - you might say, they're doing porn and worrying about privacy? go figure that one out!) - steps can be taken to reudce risks of leakage... what steps are currently taken to establish veracity of certs and who is keeping a record of who has worked with who???

Keep up the fight and don't let ignorance and negativity kill this off.


Re: Right on, Jason...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:43 am
by Andy Mann
Errr no my concern is my health at all times Donkey which is why I always ask who I am working with to see their certs before we shoot..that is my point entirely and the current system of being tested monthly has worked just fine for me for over 2 years now..

Re: Right on, Jason...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:44 am
by Naomixxx
Donkeywork,

My concern is not just privacy over health, it's personal security as well, and I think having these concerns are not at odds with being in the porn industry. Regardless of our chosen industry/work, we all have these rights.

Naomi XXX

Re: Right on, Jason...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:47 am
by TheDonkeyWork
Andy... can you say, hand on heart - that the certs you're looking at are GENUINE... unless things have changed in the last couple of years - you can't.

A centralised database - linked tot he clinics - removes that doubt...

Do you also know whetehr everyone you work with is keeping a record of who they have worked with in the past 3 months? No you don't...

You NEED an organisation like AIM to give you that extra level of protection.


Re: Attn: All UK models and producers

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:57 am
by sandie
Harmony Films wrote:

> Terry
>
> A great idea, as you know I tried along with Mike & Sandie to
> get in place a central testing service a few years ago through
> the Medi Centre with some success, so any extra help, support
> and back up for performers and Producers is welcome. Shame the
> UK performers show there lack of treating this as a profession
> once again by knocking the idea at the start.
>
> Good luck and if I can help in any way give me a buzz.
>
> Jason
>
>

yeah we tried didnt we jason and actually put quite abit of work into it. the website was in developement. its a shame.
it was certain performers who got the ball rolling after the US HIV scare in 2004. They were running round like headless chickens but as soon as they realised they were in the clear personally they couldnt care less.

hindsight is a great thing which is why something should be put in place.

all the intentions are great its just a logistical nightmare terry. good luck tho.


Re: Right on, Jason...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:00 am
by Andy Mann
At the end of the day, all performers know they are taking a risk having unprotected sex regardless of regular testing, the main thing is that we minimise the risk of any potential s.t.d outbreak by getting tested monthly, that is all you can do..

UKAP having a database of performers personal information and health records doesn't change that one bit. This topic comes up every few months and the same things are said by performers and producers alike.

I for one am happy to call Medilab at any time (and they are happy to do this because I have done so already) to verify the validity of my results to anyone who has the need to know (i.e the model I am working with)..you don't need to have information of this nature online as it is personal to the performer and not anyone elses business like any health record and is totally open to flagrant abuse by anyone with a personal agenda masquerading as a producer or any malicious hacker..