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American porn is a case of all style and no substance, peel off the thin artificial layer of "production values" and you will find total cack.

For example the biggest load of shite I've ever seen is "Pirates" hailed as a porno block buster. Take a close look at the background, which is supposed to be a wooden hulled ship and you will see it is grey plasterboard as used in office partitions. The lighting would be worthy of the Sainsbury's meat counter and the acting was so badly directed and the performances so wooden, that after 5 minutes of watching, you turn the crap off.

There is absolutely no excuse for this amateurishness, especially with all the resources to hand in Hollywood. Any carpenter could have knocked up a background of wooden beams, put in a port -hole and had some fucking blue outside the window. These people, who are actually the real amateurs, would no doubt scoff at our low budget stuff.

Unfortunately, Both American and some British producers think if you think up an infantile story that no one actually gives a toss about, bung a few props in a room, put a venetian light gobo on a wall and dress the cast in some crap outfits from the local joke shop, that this constitutes, "Production values" and this effort enables them to look down their noses at, "Johnny Camcorder"

Take so called high production fetish for example, I mean how many fucking variations can you do featuring a fucking nun in rubber. Fact is the world of fetish is stuck in a narrow minded little box, bound and gagged by their rules of slo-mo, strobes, blue lighting.........you've see one and you've seen 'em all. Yet awards are hurled at this shit, because it looks like it was difficult to make. NO ITS NOT! It's a piece of piss to create this imagery if you know what you're doing. When i worked in the theatre we would create everything on a stage, from mansions, to prisons, to ships we created anything and everything and it was convincing.

Although I don't particularly like "Private" productions, I was impressed by the big budget stuff from a few years ago, they actually bothered to travel to far flung locations to make their scenes. OK their story lines, were as crap as only Europeans can think of, but all the same at least they got out of the fucking studio.Maybe they knew they were too talentless to actually make anything good in a studio, so they let the Natural World do it for them.

So give me gonzo any day, you need actual talent to make it, because it requires both directing ability and people skills to make it a living thing. There is nothing to hide behind, it's honest and it's unpretentious.

The Yanks stopped making good porn in the early 80's.

I think every region wil have its distinct style and approach to porn and while i dont want to generalise, i think its one of those things the brits do not take that seriously at all.

Some may say good, some may say bad depending on the individual merits and quality of a movie.

I have to agree with Jim about Pirates though. For all the fuss made about this title in particular, it did absolutely nothing for me.

Pretty girls being sexy, raw sexuality and sweatwith make up running down her face is what I like to see. But thats me.

I'm sure there are many people out there who may be in awe of Pirates. If I wanted to see a high budget film with good direction and a great storyline then I'd watch something like Betty Blue or Irreversible.

I believe porn can work on many levels from music videos to mental stimulation to out and out bash your bishop to a pulp and collapse on the floor with crosses for eyes and your tongue hanging out you head.

All in all though there is no real contest. As others have quite rightly pointed out, totally different territory. They are capitalists and the UK are socialist.

Oh come on you know its true.

Try comparing UK porn to Russian porn and you'll know whatI'm talking about.

I've not had time to re all the post on this thread, but i will say i much prefer US porn....

Heres some reasons why....

1) Better Pay
2) Safer testing
3) More Variety in girls
4) Directors/Producers look at it more professionally and not as an excuse to be sleazy with a girl and try and fuck them ( not all UK producers are like this )
5) More work
6) Less back stabbing between fellow co-workers

These are just some of the things I have experienced so far in my time over here and i'm sure Danny Mountain, Steve Hooper, Tony De Sergio and Marcus London can vouch for also....

This is just from a lad from Derby's view and yes i still might be starry eyed at the minute and things may change, but i can only say it how I see it at the current time...

Keiran Lee

Hi I keep hearing this from time to time by different people to quote keiran since he is the most recent to say it, but not aimed directly at what he said just in general

"Directors/Producers look at it more professionally and not as an excuse to be sleazy with a girl and try and fuck them "

What is the difference, I mean I look at it like a business but whats the difference between a producer and performer shooting because they like sex and just a performer shooting because they like sex.

We all have different reasons for why we do this, but aslong as your not hurting anyone, respect the people you work with, treat them right,honour the shoot date and not cancel on people,have full certs at all times and pay the going rate among other things you must do ,its harmless ...

Personally though I think it's alot of money to pay just to get your end away, aspecially the money I have spent to date, If I didnt think of this as a way of making money and a online business I would of packed up years ago, but that's just me plus I think the girl I am seeing would kill me too after all I have given up, she is very understanding....

But the sleazy people who just want to fuck the models that is so commonly refered to, are they just guilty of this or other more serious things in which case I know where the people who make these comments are coming from....


On the subject, even I prefer certain parts of both UK and USA porn.

In the UK their seems to be alot of models who get paid to have sex with their partners and partners only. To producers who just shoot couples great, but to the rest of us, we dont want to have the same guy in each scene we ever see a certain girl in, or do we??? again just what I think, its porn after all....

As for people starting out as performers over here we are getting more open minded, the amount of unknowns I get from my neck of the woods, is quite good, so there are new girls coming through all the time.

But in the USA the girls are more open minded and do more things, as anal seems to be a must over there more that here.

You can still get girls in the UK that are great performers, New or old that make a great scene but wont make the leap to anal, fair enough they have to be happy with what they are doing but in the USA would that cut it? would that get you work?

I like the GONZO/POV stuff in the USA in terms of the shooting and the way it looks, but they lack the build up from what I have seen, they seem to just say " Him I'm so and so I'm 19 and I'm here to suck cock" and then they are straight into it, at least we have about 3-5mins lead up, making it look like we chat the up on a street etc...

so I think both have good things and bad things to be honest and those are just a few that stand out to me right away. I do think the we over here have alot of potenial and we need to keep going, hopefully the public opinion of porn over will in the meantime will start and change, as that does hold us back abit.

Paul

Paul

oh by the way I have changed by name from Paul Taylor to Paul Paul.

God I wish there was a edit post option on here, just noticed that mistake or if there is can someone please point it out to me.

Paul

JB wrote:

> - American porn tends to put the women in more submissive roles
> than British porn does.

True, but now you're also getting a lot of cuckold films coming out over there - something that we've not seen much of here yet.

> - Race is more important in American porn - some American girls
> won't do "interracial" while I've never seen that issue in the
> UK.

Agree totally. The race of performers barely gets mentioned on dvd covers over here as far as I can see much less the kinda 'huge black cock, tiny white gal' style of title you see on US releases.

It's generally always said that American porn is more 'misogynistic' and rougher - which I guess what you're alluding to in your first point. I don't really know if this is true, but you do get more gaping, anal, choking etc in US stuff.

I personally see a big difference in the performers, US girls seem a lot more styled and much less natural/girl next door looking. I personally prefer that, but it's not for everyone.
The camerawork/lighting/filming tends to look more professional too but then I'll never really understand the UK's love of amateur...

Well Jim, you went off on one there! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but your comments on fetish, and how easy it is are way off the mark.
I have shot everything from POV, Gonzo to Private productions, Fetish etc with Kendo. The type of thing you shoot Jim is by far the easiest, no thought needed with regards to location and set, and basically you are doing a scene in "Normal Mode" which is using that performers "Real" character, just having a laugh in an interview style enviroment, I love shooting gonzo, its so easy.

When you have to dress a location, think about lighting situations and actually have the girls in "Acting Mode" potraying a certain character and a certain style, then this is obviously more difficult. Fetish, for instance, demands a certain mood, in all areas of the production, from lighting, camera angles, all the way through to the performers persona and feel for the situation.
Yes, much fetish is shot in black rubber and latex, of which there are many styles, but Jim, its the same as short skirts and see through blouses, how many times have we seen different variations of those? There are some excellent producers of fetish in the UK who are up there with the best in the world, such as Kendo and Trevor Watson, who's productions are far from shite!

The US do it all, their gonzo lines are some the best in the industry, too many quality productions to name, DVSX, New Sensations, Red Light, Anabolic etc, all have quality gonzo lines as well as features. So lets not just pick on "Pirtaes" and say this is why US porn is shite, thats like using Peter Crouch as an excuse to why the premiership is shite, it's not shite, like our industry worldwide, it has its good players and it has its bad players but overall the premiership is the best league in the world. The UK has a good porn industry with some excellent performers and producers, but the US industry is the best in the world......Its the same old British mentality, we hate successful people!

I'll get my coat!

In my opinion, US porn easily surpasses the majority of stuff pumped out in the UK. The Americans do genuinelly seem to put more care into their product, from the way the girls are made up, the quality of shooting, the detailed sex scenes, right down to box covers and also, a lot of their promotion is way ahead of what we have here.

I'd shy away from anything deamed 'gonzo' from the UK, which seems to be what we are mainly bringing out from over here, shot in an amateurish style of course, and like Hell Kitten, this doesn't do a lot for me. I kinda like the idea of our porn more than what we actually get to see. I think a lot more effort should be put in, we've got the girls, but people need to spend a bit more time learning how to actually film them and coming up with more interesting scenarios. Besides, I tend to get turned off really fast seeing a blokes arse hammering away at a pussy filling my screen and crave the luscious fantasy land of say, a Zero Tolerance or Jim Powers flick.

The allure of 'regular guys', with small dicks, banging hot girls is something I understand and see why it would be popular, but it's no reason to overdo it, a lot of it just stinks of guys trying to get an easy lay...I think UK producers need to think of the bigger porn picture, rather than catering to the 40 something single British guy crowd it so obviously does. Whereas, US porn is pretty much acceptabel to most perverted voyeurs.

Of course there are exceptions, namely Dreamlight and especially Harmony, but there's not a great deal really. I could go on for hours...Nevermind, we'll get it all from Bluebird soon

I certainly respect your opinion and I expect many man hours are put into these productions, to create the veneer of "High production". However paradoxically, I still believe the creation of reality TV, or at least successful reality tv is far more difficult, although you're right it takes alot less man hours.

However I would make the point that it would take many man-hours to make a cheese sandwich with pickle..........if the people who were making it were blind and had to find all the ingredients themselves, so this in itself, ie man hours spent, does not necessarily constitute talent! I mean 'ol Mozart would knock up a symphony in an afternoon, have a technical argument with his first violinist and write an operetta before bed-time..........when he was 4 years old! Now that's talent!

I think the consumer is possibly on my side, what with the total collapse of DVD sales in the USA and the popularity of good internet gonzo.

I suppose I'm spoilt, having had the privilage of putting together and seen the end result of over 100 West End theatre productions, now that's what I call quality in all areas from set, to lighting and performance.

Well apart from maybe, "Dick Wittington" with Barbara Windsor and Arthur Askey and "Dial M For Manslaughter" with Lionel Blair! LOL

I wouldn't really mind, if the people that made the so called "High production" rubbish, didn't strut around as if they were actually talented. That's not to say I don't give them 10 marks for effort!

I think true, impressive, talent is exclusively found in some mainstream films. !happy!