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Re: A question about r18 and website content....
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:30 am
by Joe A
For the guys as I had a long MSN chat with Teqila last night
I don't think there are more than two hosting companies in the UK who will accept adult sites. The majority of UK hosts are still wary of topless images... LOL. That's why we all host in the States as well as for the costs
Re: A question about r18 and website content....
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:41 am
by rgb
Makaris writes about the Video Recordings Act:
"it refers specifically to material which is recorded electronically and doesn't restrict itself to physical DVDs or tapes"
I'm open to be proved wrong, but my reading of the Act is that it DOES restrict itself to physical DVD's and tapes, and indeed concerns itself only with the SUPPLY of tapes and DVD's. If not, then most television programmes would also need classification by the BBFC, which they don't - they only fall under the scrutiny of OFCOM. There is no mechanism in law to classify Internet video and indeed, OFCOM is specifically excluded from controlling the Internet.
rgb
Re: Makaris
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:10 pm
by John Mason
If you knew anything about the internet you would know that the majority of the adult sites are hosted in the USA. For this you need to make sure you have ALL the correct paperwork. This is the reason for my reply. I know Tequila isn't thick so I didn't think I had to spell it out for her.......other people on this forum I can't vouch for!
Re: A question about r18 and website content....
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:36 pm
by Juicyjo
If I can help Tequila feel free to email me
juicyjoishot@yahoo.com.
Juicy-Jo x
Re: Makaris
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:37 pm
by Digi-Guy
John there are a lot of webmasters posting on here that do not put the effort in to researching the legal part as you have. It will be amusing in the comming months to read their postings of how they are short falling with US laws and how can they dig themselves out?
Keep singing
Re: Makaris
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:18 pm
by Joe A
Digi Guy
I didn't want to post back to you, but you are not a webmaster or even in the industry, therefore your comments are not those of someone who knows from experience. I would make this same reply to anyone who is only a consumer, so please don't take this personally.
Most of us have been in the industry for a few years and as soon as the new 2257 laws came in, we went in to great depth to check the legalities as one example of what many of us have to do as part of our daily lives. Hosts are not responsible for the content of a site and so do not come under the 2257 regulations as another example of that law.
Before a cc processor who is based in the US allows us to use them, they check the members areas of our sites. If anything is illegal, such as cp, in the States where they are based, we have to make any changes they ask of us before we can use them. These processors also monitor all the sites who use them on a reglar basis to ensure that no US illegal material is added after they allow the site to use them. I had an email once and was shocked. I contacted the processor who admitted they'd made a mistake...
One of the main subjects of contention is "Simulated Rape, " and as I don't shoot that I'm not sure what rules, regulations and laws cover that subject. So, we as webmasters have to be knowledgeable of the US laws or we wouldn't be able to have any sites on line.
There is one AVS who a few years ago made their webmasters change their sites that used certain wording like "Lolita" as this might draw the wrong people to them, even if it was the models name. In fact it ended up with a banned list of over 100 words and some were very ordinary but they were worried.
There is so much we have to find out about, it can be a pain in the arse at times... I'm sure that One Eyed Jacks webmaster can tell you of even more hoops we have to jump through. If Tequilas content is against US laws... It won't be allowed on the site.. It's really that simple.
Re: Makaris
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:21 am
by rgb
Yes, I think if anyone was falling short of US laws, it would have become apparent by now. The 2257 regulations, for example, have been in force for about 10 years!
It's common sense for any producer to get proof of age and a model release. All the recent kerfuffle about 2257 regulation changes were basically a technicality concerning details of record keeping for US webmasters and an attempt to reverse a Denver court ruling concerning the status of "secondary producers".
We all abide by the spririt of these regulations, but the idea that I have to keep my office in Worthing open and available for inspection by a US Dept of Justice official during US office hours is a nonsense.
rgb
Re: A question about r18 and website content....
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:54 am
by Riley
Two forms of photo ID plus a video declaration of the model holding her ID's and model release infront of her with her confirming her details verbally and your arse is more than covered.
Store that info to hard drive with backup and you can zip it off around the world to any request from a legal body (in writing of course). Or if invaded rather than initially wading through mounds of releases and trying to find the trannies/digipics/video you can insert the drive and flash the database for who they want to look at. Good record keeping makes life so simple.
Re: A question about r18 and website content....
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:25 am
by Riley
The BBFC have no remit on the net and they will confirm that if you call them/email request info. The watchdogs who look at the net are more concerned for the welfare of our children but if they come across video nasty content they will bring it to to the attention of the powers to be.
If you are UK based and uploading form the UK you will get shut down doesn't matter where your server is you are in their eyes running it from the UK if you are broadcasting obscene material.
Stay within the guides of the R18 specs and keep away from what is published in the OPA and at least you have a fighting chance in court.