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Re: Why Bother ? with Brit Porn
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:06 pm
by NeilUK
I have never and will never appear in an adult film but surely the girl and the guy needs to be comfortable with each other for the scene to work. I have watched documentaries and interviews with some of the biggest names in the industry, Jenna jameson for instance has a list of 5 people she is willing to act with. Briana Banks , a few more but a good few she won't work with and everyone she works with must have made films with directors she knows and respects.
In other words if they don't know or like the guys they can't perform.
Also true in mainstrame films, some actresses will not do love scenes with some actors and thats all fake. It simply doesn't work and look good if both performers aren't totally comfortable. Surely the trick for the casting directors is to find out from the female performer who they want to work with and hire him. Not rocket science I wouldnt have thought
Re: Why Bother ? with Brit Porn
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:09 am
by one eyed jack
A rule I generally live by Neil but I also understand the producers who see it purely as a business and not a dating game but that's because I strive for genuine scenes rather than the idea of seeing everyones favourite girl shagging for the sake of it. More often than not it looks like their just putting in work and most of the time, most people don't care hence why I don't shoot as often as i do and prefer to sit back a bit and survey the scene. I don't always get it right, but more often than not get a pleasing result. You can always find a drop dead sexy girl, but what do you do if they are not particularly sexy because they have that (vietnam terminology) "thousand yard stare".
This is probably why I favour one on one shoots over group shoots. Theres nothing worse than seeing one bloke doing all the work and a bunch of others tugging their dicks because they can't figure a way into the melee.
Re: Why Bother ? with Brit Porn
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:07 am
by one eyed jack
Not necessarily Everhard. More often they come back ringing me up telling me they can do dp, anal etc and not much fussed who they fuck as long as they get a damn good seeing too. Lightweights need not apply. Gawd bless America.
Truth be known, when a girl goes to Uncle Sam, she has to be prepared to work hard for her money because they don't put up with molly coddling out there (much, if at all).
Which is what makes me laugh when a new girl gets into the business here states she only works with her partner and doesnt do anal wants to do america (or is sent there without much info from the agents) by her third job. Some have come back needing psychiatric counselling and quit porn altogether. Not because they couldnt do it. Just not prepared. I know this because I know two of the girls who are now out of the business.
Then again, there are exceptions to the rule. If the Yanks really want you, they will abide by your requests. Sarah Wright for instance didnt do b/g with anyone but her boyfriend but came came back to do some anal scenes for me...Why? Not because I am special, but because she wanted to and felt comfortable doing it. There are always exceptions.
Re: Why Bother ? with Brit Porn
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:11 am
by steveuk
Welcome to the real world.
I find it hard to sympathise with someone who complains about the attitudes of others while arrogantly flaunting his "superior" credentials.
You went to the the NFTS to become a porno-director?
Some of the models you approached didn't reply? Maybe YOU made a bad impression?
Others dictated terms to you? That's because they're the most important part of the process, certainly more important than you or me.
All the story, cinematography, sound, music and FX in the world cannot rescue an unenthusiastic performance. It's great to have the best production values you can afford/organize, but that girl in the middle of it all is everything!
People watch porn to get aroused, not enlightened.
Re: Why Bother ? with Brit Porn
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:34 pm
by Cerberus
Well said Steveuk,
I know a couple of graduate film makers who are stacking shelves in Teso's to earn a living & pay off their fees....alongside a couple of the much derided porn models!
As with everything in life you get what you pay for.
Lots of models not falling at DZ's feet? when he offers them work, how surprising! How strange they don't want to be shagged senseless in every conceivable "artistic" manner for a few quid in order to become established & make a name for themselves!
All models are on the lookout for work, provided it's paying a sensible rate for the work expected. So maybe a visit to Prague or Budapest is a good idea after all, a ?35 flight via the orange sky train, where you can film girls doing all holes dp's & the like for ?100 or thereabouts, but hurry, Eastern European girls aren't stupid or slow & prices will be rising sharply!
What DZ seems to be alluding to is called exploitation.......... & we have enough of that in UK porn already!
Re: Why Bother ? with Brit Porn
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:55 pm
by Dan Zig
I am not trying to exploit anyone - I will quite willing to pay more than the going rate as the rates quoted seem more than reasonable ( hell London Escorts charge want they want for an hour rather than half a days work for a Adult performer - not implying that one is better than another) - which I am sure will produce more interseting replies (I have enjoyed this thread).
And I have not intendly implied that I am more superior - my production career started with a Sci Fi TV drama series and one UK made hollywood studio Sci Fi movie in 94-95 then I moved into CGI. I was just wanted to state that I believe I could produce a well crafted production , Hey I had Antonio Adamo production style ambitions for the future
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and jokingly - Cerberus I enjoyed your cameo as "Fluffy" in the Harry Potter
movie.
Re: Why Bother ? with Brit Porn
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:37 pm
by Cerberus
Lol, at least the thread provoked some life into the somewhat mundane posts of late.
Glad you enjoyed the cameo, mind you growing the nails & not brushing the teeth was a real pain...........& yes I do snore like that! ask the missus lol.
Re: Why Bother ? with Brit Porn
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:43 pm
by one eyed jack
Cerberus wrote: "all holes dp's & the like for ?100 or thereabouts"...Reality check for those not in the know. You'll probably get these girls at that price if they are streetwalkers without std tests. Europe has wised up to the price structure.
Top notch girls are commanding american rates in dollars, just to deter the mass exodus of Brit producers who might have ideas. I admit, generally it is a bit cheaper but only marginally so. I rate them all for value for money. I don't mind paying high rates if I get a good delivery in performance, turnout and attitude.
As for Danzig, he may herald in a new era of CG sex for all we know. Imagine that, perfect looking models having perfet sex in perfect environments. He could be onto something here
The closest I got was flirting with lightwave.