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I can't say that Joe D'Amato films are terrible. All I am saying is that they are just basically average hc productions, no better or worse than what other euro hc of that period were like. There is very little originality in his hc movies since he was fond of using a lot of themes and characters that were in the public domain. Also he just overused the slow motion technique, especially during hc sex scenes, which were annoying and ruined much the pace and enjoyment of the sex scene.

To you aolo100 , I love the directors that you named . Their work is very nice . My favourite francie porn film directors are claude mulot , claude pierson und jean rollin because they are very artistik und they they take kare of the technikal aspekts . My favourite francie porn actresses are brigitte lahaie, karine gambier, france lomay und barbara moose . I kann go on und on . I like one other porn film director mac ahlberg who directed luxure one of my favourite which is really kreativ und arty . To you len801 i really never got into his normal porn films . Although i have a unkut print of hot smell of a virgin . Iam really into eurosleaze films mit hardkore inzerts. For normal porno films of the 70s to me und i will stay this way till my death , The french made the best . The u.s.a. were komplet opposite . For eurosleaze films all of west europe made excellent offbeat films from walter boos , joe damato, erwin c. dietrich , jess franco, jean rollin , hubert frank , mario bava , bruno mattei , renato polselli und mario bianchi montero . There are alot of influences for me . cheers , From the bottom of my heart , stefano romantico

I don't know what you mean by "the U.S.A. were komplet opposite".
American porn of the 1970's, 1980's? What type? As compared to what?
American hc movies in the 1970's when euro feature porn did not exist or was just starting were perhaps to a great extent low budget works, not very polished, but just as odd, kinky, violent, sleazy and controversial. By the late 1970's, US hc movies were costing in the neighborhood of $100,000 and were trying a reach a wider audience. But the video revolution of the early 1980's killed all that, and then they were making crap costing generally no more than $10,000. But the quality, themes and quirkiness of the 1970's US porn movies could not be compared with what was being produced elsewhere. It is quite difficult to do a better analysis as many of these films have disappeared or have been remastered on DVD with misssing scenes.

To Len801 They were the komplet opposite . Francie porn was legal in 1975 und you kann see it in their films . They are very relaxed . U.s.a. porn was ilegal till 1988. How kann the porno aktors be relaxed when the police kann take them to jail ? You kann see that they are not relaxed . Like i said before the komplet opposite . cheers , From the bottom of my heart , stefano romantico

Author: stefano romantico
Date: 06-28-09 12:09

To Len801 They were the komplet opposite . Francie porn was legal in 1975 und you kann see it in their films . They are very relaxed . U.s.a. porn was ilegal till 1988. How kann the porno aktors be relaxed when the police kann take them to jail ? You kann see that they are not relaxed . Like i said before the komplet opposite . cheers , From the bottom of my heart , stefano romantico
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You CAN actually detect a certain "nervousness" on the part of performers in US porn movies from 1970 to 1988???
Sorry I strongly disagree.
Perhaps you don't have a clear idea of what "illegal" meant in the US porn production/exhibiton in the golden age. In California and other states there were "pandering" laws in effect which were interpreted at the time to mean that a movie director/producer who paid a performer to act out a sexually explicit act in front of a movie camera was the equivalent to prostitution. Film shoots had to be done on the sly, to avoid detection and arrest by authories. I think producers did a good job, taking into consideration the number of hc movies produced (as against what was being shot in Europe). A lot of the porn producers working in California (where most of the porn production shifted to in the early-mid 1980's) were shooting some scenes in the streets (De Renzy would do it as well as others) without fear of arrest. De Renzy, the Mitchell Bros, and Ziehm were constantly harassed by the authorities for the porn movies they made/exhibited, but the authorities just could not get a conviction. That changed in 1988 with the court decision involving director Hal Freeman who was charged and convicted or "pandering", but decision was reversed on appeal. From 1988 onwards California authorities could not use the pandering laws as applied to porn production.
However, the problem with "oscenity" still remained and remains (see the recent problems with Max Hardcore, Zicari, and John Stagliano).
So US porn production (even when shot on the sly) was not affected (in quality and scope) by pandering laws, except they had to shoot on the sly.

Porn is practically still illegal in the U.S. Ever heard of Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section?

By the way, stefano, buddy how can you keep this 'pseudo-teutonic' English? !cool!

Author: Bad Samaritan
Date: 06-29-09 01:30

Porn is practically still illegal in the U.S. Ever heard of Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section?

By the way, stefano, buddy how can you keep this 'pseudo-teutonic' English?
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If it was still "illegal" NOBODY would be making it. Over 10,000 videos come out every year in the US, and the US porn industry is quite strong even though sales have been dropping as of late and there is an overabundant supply.
Porn and its legal standing has been recognized as a First Amendent right of Free Speech in a number of legal decisions handed down over the years.
Child porn is the ONLY exception and it is a criminal act.
But you are confusing "pornography" with "obscenity" which unfortunately is a question of "cummunity standards", and that is why the feds keep trying to bring charges against those that allegedly go out of the norm, and in regions of the country that are less liberally minded (see the recent cases of Max Hardcore, Bob Zicari/Extreme Associates, and John Stagliano/Evil Angel).
That is why movies dealing with incest, fisting, pissing, bestiality are avoided like the plague by the US porn industry, and that is how Max Hardcore got into trouble by providing Euro versions of his movies to the US consumers (via Jadevideo).

I am not confusing anything. I was supposed to put a smiley at the end of that sentence but couldn't just figure out which one would be appropriate. Mea culpa.

However, I think you are mistaken for assuming that the blame is on some "red states". CEOS is a federal law enforcement agency that prosecutes 'crimes of obscenity' nationwide. Child pornography acts simply as a precedent for its activities.

I don't blame any state for the stupid situation. I blame the judicial system and law enforcement agencies for baiting pornographers by ordering through the mail pornographic material and having it sent to certain locations where they believe and are convinced they will get a conviction for "obscenity".
This is not the case of an ordinary citizien who is unwillingly exposed to what he/she might considerer offfensive material but federal agents posing as porn consumer and ordering pornographic material not intended for minors, and featuring consenting adults.

To you bad samaritan , you are a very smart man . You have my respekt . Oh yeah , my anglisch is not so gut , it is ok . My deutsch ist ok . As you are saying Len801 , I ask you one question , What do kommunity standards mean in your definition ? To me kommunity standards ist when other people decide what i kann watch not my individual freedom to decide what i kann watch . I want the freedom to choose to watch what i want und shoot what i want without some konservative religious fascist threatening to take me to court or even jail because it offended somebody in some backward state . I want to choose myself if i want to shoot or watch extreme . There were nazis, fascists , kommunists in europe but in the states there were und will always be heavy censorship for everything . Iam a man not a child . This konservtiv energy is even hier in europe where you kann not tell the difference between a european produktion und a u.s.a. produktion except lokations . Even the girls have lost themselves mit plastiq surgery . This has to stop that is why iam going to start a kreativ revolution in 6 months when i get the money for my next video . This is a war but not mit fists or weapons . Only mit talent und the mind . This war ist on . Iam going to be fighting this war till i die . The u.s.a. started this war on kreativity but i und other kreativ porno directors who want to join in will win . stefano romantico