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Re: Is this bonkers?
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:10 am
by number 6
No, its just hearing the views of the people who support his party, the ignorant and stupid working classes that let the decent working classes down. UKIP have no interest whatsoever in helping people on low incomes , only an idiot would think otherwise. They are a far right wing party.
Re: Is this bonkers?
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:12 am
by number 6
I f you are on a low income and you don't want to vote Labour,just look at the green manifesto. No hate involved,just help. The complete opposite of UKIP.
Re: Why get married?
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:14 am
by Dick Moby
No 6, have you ever considered that you might not be his kind of guy? As a leftie,probably not. It appears that anybody with differing views to yourself must be wrong.
number 6
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:45 am
by Milk Tray Man
I see. So am I right in thinking that the working class people who don't share your views on UKIP are the "ignorant and stupid" ones (what was that you were saying about hate?), while those who do are the "decent" ones?
I've had a look at UKIPs policies and although I don't agree with all of it, I'm struggling to see who they actually "hate".
Voting Green is fine if you want to pay a fiver for a litre of petrol and think that having things like "gender-neutral" public bogs is important. They're a dangerous mix of the fluffy-bunny idealistic, the naive and the downright crackpot. And Natalie Bennett is such a competent media performer that she makes Ed Millband look charismatic.
Milk Tray Man/Number 6
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:54 pm
by David Johnson
"On what basis do you make the claim that he would abolish the NHS"
It is absolutely beyond question that Farage wants an insurance based health care system run by private companies. This to all intents and purposes means the end of the NHS as we know it.
There was too much opposition from within UKIP to Farage's plan for this to be made UKIP policy for this election but Farage was quoted as saying "?I triggered a debate within Ukip that was outright rejected by my colleagues, so I have to accept that. As time goes on, this is a debate that we?re all going to have to return to.?
Milktray Man/Number 6
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:06 pm
by David Johnson
Clearly Farage doesn't go around saying "I am a hero of the working class". That would be a bit daft.
But he does regularly bang on about the working class and their struggles as he tries to get the votes of those members of the working class who feel they have been left behind.
Why it is a con is that Miliband wants to reform or remake capitalism through intervention in and direction of markets e.g. the energy market, whereas Farage wants to liberate markets from bureaucratic control by loosening workers' rights, for example.
If the Farage approach is going to improve the lot of the less well off then I'm Kylie Minogue.
Re: Milktray Man/Number 6
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:12 pm
by Dick Moby
Kylie, can I get a signed nude photo please.
DIck
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:30 pm
by David Johnson
No
Re: Milktray Man/Number 6
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:35 pm
by Milk Tray Man
David Johnson wrote:
> But he does regularly bang on about the working class and their
> struggles as he tries to get the votes of those members of the
> working class who feel they have been left behind.
But they all do that David. Milliband and Cameron both bang on ad nauseum about "hard-working families" to the extent that it's become a tired cliche.
Re: Milktray Man/Number 6
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:49 pm
by David Johnson
You ignore the second part of my post which explains why it is a complete con.